What do you think of the option of withdrawal of the zoom tables?

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I do not trust much in that option .since it is a program and if a player goes all in with me and when lowering the cards he is losing. You can ask for the withdrawal option and I can still lose my hand in the Turn or in the River and pokerstars keeps all the money
 
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Good morning everyone, I played 231k cash game hands, and checking, there is no advantage in using payouts, because as you protect your hand against bad bets, you have higher odds than the villain and in the long run I see that if Had I not used this $21 payouts option, my current profit is $161.
Look at the importance of studying the game, before I thought it would be profitable to use these payouts and it's the opposite, it's a loss, in the long run you lose money doing that, that's why good cash game players don't use it.
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Good explanation thwenth1983 along with the data. I personally never withdraw. I believe the only option that would make sense would be if the entire bankroll was at stake, but that would be a mistake in itself.
 
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I don’t know, I don’t play with early withdrawal, and to be safe from my own decision, it’s to be constantly dependent, for me it’s the beauty of poker to win in a difficult hand.
 
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PokerStars is not a charitable organization, but a commercial structure that wants to make money and comes up with many tools for this, I think that early payment is one of them !!!
 
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seiya1989 said:
I do not trust much in that option .since it is a program and if a player goes all in with me and when lowering the cards he is losing. You can ask for the withdrawal option and I can still lose my hand in the Turn or in the River and PokerStars keeps all the money
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I really like this option at PokerStars. I get run over so often that I always try to use this option when I play Zoom (for example, right now I play daily for a $0.50 PowerPath ticket). Of course, globally, PokerStars has a great profit from this option, but I don't look into PokerStars' pocket. :)
 
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thwenth1983 said:
Good morning everyone, I played 231k cash game hands, and checking, there is no advantage in using payouts, because as you protect your hand against bad bets, you have higher odds than the villain and in the long run I see that if Had I not used this $21 payouts option, my current profit is $161.
Look at the importance of studying the game, before I thought it would be profitable to use these payouts and it's the opposite, it's a loss, in the long run you lose money doing that, that's why good cash game players don't use it.
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Thanks for the explanation. I don't use that option either.I just think the only one that benefits is PokerStars
 
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0546474 said:
PokerStars is not a charitable organization, but a commercial structure that wants to make money and comes up with many tools for this, I think that early payment is one of them !!!
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I know. But is it not enough for them with commissions for tournaments and cash tables? who use tools that leave you with doubts
 
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vnnby said:
I don’t know, I don’t play with early withdrawal, and to be safe from my own decision, it’s to be constantly dependent, for me it’s the beauty of poker to win in a difficult hand.
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I don't use early retirement either. But in many other players they have turned it against me, and the percentage in which they turn my hand in the River is very large. And so it takes much of the spoils PokerStars
 
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I use this option, I think it is profitable in the long term
 
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I see various other sites offer this as well. They would not do it if it was not profitable for them, so I don't bother with this silly early cashout business.
 
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I don't need from that option...

(I saw once, one tilted girl or boy, which jam preflop with 68o, and then seek for the "all-in cash out" option... This is unserious!)
 
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thwenth1983 said:
Good morning everyone, I played 231k cash game hands, and checking, there is no advantage in using payouts, because as you protect your hand against bad bets, you have higher odds than the villain and in the long run I see that if Had I not used this $21 payouts option, my current profit is $161.
Look at the importance of studying the game, before I thought it would be profitable to use these payouts and it's the opposite, it's a loss, in the long run you lose money doing that, that's why good cash game players don't use it.
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Thanks for the good information, I think that for many it will be interesting and useful! Nice chart, good luck at the tables!
 
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I assume, you mean the all-in cash-out option also sometimes referred to as "insurance". This is for all cash games on PokerStars not just Zoom. Many other poker sites also have it these days. PokerStars charge a 1% fee, so long term it is obviously a negative EV option to use. But it can be helpfull in reducing variance, if you are aggressive with your bankroll. It can also be benefitial for people with tilt problems. Seeing their AA or KK get cracked by some maniac, who shipped in all his chips with J7s, often puts people on tilt. But if they have cashed out, they can just laugh about it, if the fish suck out on PokerStars.
 
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