Would you look? A cash game dilemma...

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  • #251
Honestly, I've been in this situation. It's very hard to purposely look away when you catch a glimpse of your opponent's cards. Even then, you've already seen them, right? So what do you do? I know what I'd do and likely what 99.9% of players would do. You play the hand you're dealt with all the info you have. It is what it is.

Is it cheating? No not at all.

Btw - as I was sitting here playing an online game while Cardschatting, I decided to edit my response. At the very instant I clicked on 'Edit' my computer shifted back to the game and raised with my 72o hand while in the big blind. I almost won the hand :) .
 
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  • #252
Of course, I kept looking at his cards. It was very kind of me to point out the mistake, but he just laughed. So it will become part of his own learning when he remembers the situation and realizes the error.

With that analogy, poker can be considered a business, not just a game. You never go to your competition and point out their mistakes. Instead, you use your opponents’ errors — and all their actions — to your advantage.
 
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  • #253
There is a thin line between keeping on looking at your opponents cards and peeking or sneaking through his/her cards!
Looking is absolutely fair and fine since it can be called studying your opponent including his cards but the later part is a big no no!
 
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Yes, it is clear cheating. But I don't cheat, I just try to observe how he plays with different hands. When he has a strong hand and how he behaves then, what his bets look like, how he behaves with weak hands and how he bluffs. Then I avoid playing and don't get involved in unclear spots. Winning fairly tastes better than cheating.
 
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In poker, the responsibility to protect one’s hand always falls on the player. If someone is careless about how they look at their cards, and they openly expose them while you’re simply sitting in your normal position, that isn’t considered cheating. It’s just part of the natural flow of live poker, where awareness can be as valuable as strategy. In this situation, you actually did the ethical thing by quietly warning the player. Once he dismissed your advice and told you to “worry about your own game,” he essentially made it clear that he wasn’t concerned about the information he was giving away.
If you happen to see his cards after that, without leaning, stretching, or altering your posture to gain an advantage, there’s nothing unethical about it. You’re not manipulating the game; you’re just observing what’s freely available. Cheating involves intentional actions that break the integrity of the game — things like collusion, marked cards, or deliberately moving to see someone’s hand. Simply noticing what another player fails to hide does not fall into that category.
That said, while it may be within the rules, it’s still a spot that requires discipline. You shouldn’t be obvious about it or behave in a way that disrupts the table. But ignoring free information would be a strategic mistake, especially against an aggressive player whose ranges matter a lot. Poker rewards those who pay attention, and it punishes players who don’t respect the fundamentals. If he won’t protect his hand, you’re not obligated to protect it for him.
 
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  • #256
In my opinion i would definitely make a comment to let him be aware of the fact he is revealing is hand. After that we are all adults entering a game to win eachother money.

If he keeps revealing I won't try to see them on purpose by leaning in or somthing. But I wil take the extra info when it comes.

To be honest thats still quite civil for a game that is often won by deciet and being a good lier.
 
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This is one of those spots where ethics matter more than EV.
Once you’ve warned him, you’ve done your part as a decent human and a decent poker player. From that point on, intentionally trying to see his cards crosses a line for me. Even if he’s careless and dismissive, actively using hidden information that other players don’t have access to breaks the spirit of the game.
Poker is a game of imperfect information. When you deliberately remove that imperfection for yourself, you’re no longer just “playing better,” you’re changing the rules in your favor. That’s why I do consider it a form of cheating if you consciously look and adjust your decisions based on it—even if the casino technically puts the responsibility on him to protect his hand.
There’s also a practical angle: once you start justifying this behavior, where do you draw the line next? Angle-shooting, soft collusion, exploiting mistakes that go beyond strategy—it’s a slippery slope.
Personally, I’d avert my eyes and play my game. If the situation keeps happening, I’d alert the dealer. Long-term success in poker (and life) comes from winning cleanly and being able to respect your own decisions, not just your win rate.
Curious how others see it—where do you draw the ethical line?
 
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  • #258
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Yes would be absolutely cheating.
Whenever I saw a hand live when a person didn't protect his hand I would tell the dealer about it and he declares it a missdeal.
No fair game when someone has additional information you're not supposed to have.
When the person keeps on ignoring the necessity of protecting his hand he will get excluded from the game
I don't know if I would go as far as calling it cheating if the other player is essentially showing them their hand, but I think declaring a misdeal is the best way to handle it if they aren't taking the gentle nudge to protect their hands. If you want to play live tables, you have to learn how to do it correctly and many seasoned players aren't as kind with new players and will either take advantage of them or get angry. One misdeal where the player across from the newbie loses his AA and he'll learn pretty fast how to play properly.
 
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  • #259
Live game, dude next to me keeps accidentally flashing his cards. I say something nice, he laughs it off and does it again.

Tempting to keep glancing, right? First peek feels like free info. But after a couple, it starts feeling gross like I’m the shady one if anyone notices.

From what I’ve seen in forums: best to warn once more (maybe louder), then grab the dealer or floor. Let them fix it. Your rep at the table matters way more than one sneaky edge.


Poker’s tough enough without guilt trips. Play fair, win fair, sleep better. That’s the vibe I like.
 
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This is not a fraud, you do not see his cards, but only touch the cards, because since a person cannot make a poker face and even plays aggressively, he quickly loses his bankroll and goes home. For me, it would be an easy win, and I took the opportunity because poker is a game and not a charity. I constantly try to predict the opponent's card depending on the style of his game.
 

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  • #261
My opinion is that this is more a matter of ethics than the game itself. If a player does not protect his cards and is aware of this (especially after a warning), it is difficult to call it cheating. You didn't use any illegal method - you just noticed.
On the other hand, in the long run, situations like this can harm the atmosphere at the table. Poker is not only taking advantage of every possible advantage, but also a certain code of conduct. Personally, I would probably stop watching after warning him - not because I have to, but because I want to play “clean” and avoid all the gray areas.
If one consciously ignores one's own mistake, one accepts the consequences. But at the same time, each of us chooses what kind of player he wants to be.
 
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  • #263
A strange scenario that he would not listen, and against their enlightened self interest. Definately inform the dealer as this is unacceptable for the whole table; the game loses all integrity otherwise.
 
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Tammy said:
Part of being successful in poker (just like life in general) is to think about various situations ahead of time and decide how you would react. When the time comes, whether you change your mind or not, you at least had a plan of action in mind beforehand.

So what would you do in this situation?

The young, aggressive cash player next to you isn't doing a great job of protecting his hand. The way he looks at his cards makes it really easy for you to see what he has. You quietly let him know to be careful, but he just laughs and tells you to worry about your own game. Would you keep looking at his cards when you get a chance? And do you think this is a form of cheating if you do look? Why or why not?

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A few years ago I even warned people several times, but as I became more professional, I don't do it anymore. I look discreetly as long as possible.
 
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Tammy said:
Parte del éxito en el póker (al igual que en la vida en general) consiste en anticipar diversas situaciones y decidir cómo reaccionar. Llegado el momento, independientemente de si cambias de opinión o no, al menos tenías un plan de acción en mente.

¿Qué harías tú en esta situación?

El joven y agresivo jugador de póker que está a tu lado no está protegiendo bien sus cartas. La forma en que las mira te permite ver fácilmente lo que tiene. Le dices discretamente que tenga cuidado, pero él solo se ríe y te dice que te preocupes por tu propio juego. ¿Seguirías mirando sus cartas cuando tengas oportunidad? ¿Y crees que mirarlas sería hacer trampa ? ¿Por qué sí o por qué no?

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It's a debated situation in poker.
From the standpoint of rules and ethics, if a player unintentionally exposes their cards and you see them without doing anything special to obtain that information, most experienced players consider that they are not cheating. The primary responsibility for protecting the hand lies with the person who has it.
However, there is a difference between:
Accidentally seeing a card because the rival shows it when lifting it.
Try to actively spy by leaning in, changing position, or looking for angles to see it.
The latter is usually considered unsportsmanlike and may even be sanctioned in some rooms.
In the case you raised, you already discreetly warned him that he was showing his cards and he replied that you should take care of your own game. After that, many players would say that the information you keep disclosing is your responsibility. If the cards are visible from your normal position, they would probably use them to make decisions.
Personally, the most professional way would be to continue playing from your seat normally, without making an effort to look at your cards. If he continues to show them and you see them naturally, that information is part of what happens at the table.
 
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Although I am gaining an advantage from this, it doesn't constitute cheating.

I believe cheating is when I use malicious and prohibited tactics to gain an advantage over my opponents.

It's worth remembering that in this particular case, I had already warned them to be careful with their cards.
 
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I wouldn't go out of my way to look at his cards, but if he's repeatedly exposing them after I've already warned him, that's ultimately his responsibility. Poker is a game of information, and protecting your hand is one of the most basic skills at the table.

I don't consider it cheating if I'm simply seeing cards that are visible from my seat. Cheating would be actively trying to peek, changing my position to gain a view, or working with others to obtain information. But if a player carelessly reveals his hand and ignores a polite warning, he's giving away information just like someone who accidentally gives off tells.

That said, I would still try to act professionally. If the exposure is obvious enough that it's affecting the integrity of the game, I might mention it to the dealer or floor. Everyone deserves a fair game, even if they're making mistakes. :)
 
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not cheating to look, its part of the game
 
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I would tell the dealer and the rest of the table that I can see the player's cards. In fact, I have faced this issue before.
 
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Tammy said:
Part of being successful in poker (just like life in general) is to think about various situations ahead of time and decide how you would react. When the time comes, whether you change your mind or not, you at least had a plan of action in mind beforehand.

So what would you do in this situation?

The young, aggressive cash player next to you isn't doing a great job of protecting his hand. The way he looks at his cards makes it really easy for you to see what he has. You quietly let him know to be careful, but he just laughs and tells you to worry about your own game. Would you keep looking at his cards when you get a chance? And do you think this is a form of cheating if you do look? Why or why not?

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👀 haha. this is too funny. tbh Ive never played poker in person, so i cant say for sure. but I recon if you want to be wreckless, Ill take full advantage of that. i think each player is responsible for their own outcome. what I do, has nothing to do with what they do. It's their own responsibility of what they do, how the do it and what they get out of it. end of story.. 👊🏻
 
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Well as long as I dont cheat. ie, keep cards for later etc.. I wont do that.. ill be fair in how I present myself.. and my outcome of my actions is mine. no one else's. so if I let someone see my cards, that's on me.
 
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Tammy said:
Part of being successful in poker (just like life in general) is to think about various situations ahead of time and decide how you would react. When the time comes, whether you change your mind or not, you at least had a plan of action in mind beforehand.

So what would you do in this situation?

The young, aggressive cash player next to you isn't doing a great job of protecting his hand. The way he looks at his cards makes it really easy for you to see what he has. You quietly let him know to be careful, but he just laughs and tells you to worry about your own game. Would you keep looking at his cards when you get a chance? And do you think this is a form of cheating if you do look? Why or why not?

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1. Would you keep looking?

No. I think I might be tempted to do so, especially if I am having a a bad hand myself and might be able to lure him into a trap if he is an aggressive player, but in the end, I wouldn’t do it simply because I prefer winning without feeling guilty of taking advantage of someone or a situation that may result in (a maybe significant) financial loss. Since poker still is considered a game of luck in a way, and you can get addicted, not everyone might be playing just for fun as I do.
If it is just a game with friends with no real stakes, I might just do it to demonstrate how easy it is until they learn.

2. Would you think that this is cheating? Why?

Yes, I think so. The definition of cheating is literally disobeying the rules to get an unfair advantage without it being noticed. In poker, I would say not looking at the cards others have is a rule. I want to note that I do *not* think it is cheating if you saw the cards again by accident (aka. Not actively trying to see them) while watching/playing the game normally, after you already told the player that this is a problem, as long as you inform someone about it and not use it to get an advantage in the game. If you hope you don’t get caught and play the hand you have, while knowing the hand of someone else, you are cheating to gain an advantage and ignore the rule of fair play.
 
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I think there is a subtle fine line here between cheating and not. Normally the line would be *expending effort to see the cards*,( leaning way back in your chair, craning your neck, etc ), but described here you warned the person and they were rude to you, so if they continue to flash their cards at you I don't think it is cheating, as long as you do nothing different than you normally would as far as looking in their direction. I'm not going to try in any way to see them, but I'm not going to feel bad if I do...
 
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I would warn him once, just like in the example. If he chooses to ignore the warning, then protecting his cards becomes his responsibility.

That said, I wouldn't go out of my way to peek at his hand. Deliberately trying to see someone's cards feels unethical to me. However, if he's exposing them so openly that I can't help but notice, I don't think that's cheating. In poker, players are responsible for protecting their own hands.

For me, the difference is intent. Accidentally seeing exposed cards is one thing; actively trying to spy on them is another. Once I've warned him and he's brushed it off, the consequences are on him.
 
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I think it is both cheating and also unreasonable to fault the person who is watching for taking advantage of that info.

Are you supposed to just not look in their direction anymore? If so that sets a pretty wonky precident where one persons neglect allows them to dictate your actions.

The peeker had done their duty by telling the person they need to protect better.

That said, I wonder what the floors policy for this is. It seems obvious to me not protecting your cards well could be a form of collusion.
 
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