$16,5 PL HE MTT:

Geo90 · Sep 4, 2025

As I manage to win tickets to bigger tournaments, I fail one after another. Maybe they play better there, and I can't get there because of my shortcomings. It was a knockout tournament, and I fail one knockout after another. I never manage to win a knockout, even though I always use these tickets in knockout tournaments, where I think I can get money the fastest.

First Hand!
888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 60/120 (15 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat - https://www.cardschat.com/replayer?hand=aa1ogXN5

UTG: 2,665 (22 bb)
UTG+1: 11,059 (92 bb)
MP: 7,155 (60 bb)
MP+1: 5,589 (47 bb)
CO (Hero): 5,880 (49 bb)
BU: 4,494 (37 bb)
SB: 7,764 (65 bb)
BB: 4,028 (34 bb)

Pre-Flop: (300) Hero is CO with A♠ Q♠
1 fold, UTG+1 calls 120, 2 players fold, Hero raises to 360, 2 players fold, BB 3-bets to 1,080, 1 fold, Hero calls 720

Flop: (2,460) 9♥ 4♠ J♦ (2 players)
BB bets 1,491, CO (Hero) folds
The limper was a fish, he limped a lot in other games too, I don't have any information about my opponents, I don't play at this level,

PF: I don't think I should have 4-bet,

F: I'll give a smaller cbet, but I didn't want to bet 12.5 BB, I would have improved with many cards but I'm not sure if I'm ahead, and in this case I was more afraid of losing my chips, which was a mistake.

Second hand!
888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 75/150 (20 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat - https://www.cardschat.com/replayer?hand=aa1ogY6J

UTG: 4,404 (29 bb)
UTG+1: 7,614 (51 bb)
MP: 5,198 (35 bb)
MP+1: 2,080 (14 bb)
CO: 11,489 (77 bb)
BU: 6,690 (45 bb)
SB: 5,349 (36 bb)
BB (Hero): 5,810 (39 bb)

Pre-Flop: (385) Hero is BB with 5♦ 4♣
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to 300, 5 players fold, Hero calls 150

Flop: (835) 3♣ 5♥ K♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 275, Hero calls 275

Turn: (1,385) 2♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 1,246, BB (Hero) folds

PF: I could have folded, but since Antek was in and only raised 2bb, it wasn't a mistake to call. I had to put 150 into 658, so in this case I usually bet 2.5BB and call 2bb under 20-25BB.

F: I don't even get bad flops, you can give a small raise like that, I don't think you should play check raise.

R: I got a really good hand, I'm in a straight draw,, and I'm getting almost a pot call, which could be a strong bluff.
He knows I could be in a straight draw with a small pair, so I can call with anything from BB.

If he has QK, I have a 29% chance.
If he has AK, I only have a 20% chance.

I think I should have called. If I improve, I'll definitely go. If I have two pairs, I might stay behind, but I wouldn't play a check-raise.

puzzlefish · Sep 4, 2025

With hand #1, probably you were playing against AK, AA, KK, QQ, etc. not very likely anything weaker that that would give you that kind of action on the flop. I think the fold is reasonable even though you could still improve on the turn.

Hand #2 is probably a fold pre-flop. There isn't much of a point in fighting against a middle position player's range with such bad cards when you're still with a stack of 39bb. Post-flop thoughts aside, this is exactly how you lose buy-ins, by getting into pots with bad hands and finding reasons to continue because you caught the flop a little bit. This is what's happening in the background with poker.

Geo90 · Sep 5, 2025

puzzlefish said:
With hand #1, probably you were playing against AK, AA, KK, QQ, etc. not very likely anything weaker that that would give you that kind of action on the flop. I think the fold is reasonable even though you could still improve on the turn.

Hand #2 is probably a fold pre-flop. There isn't much of a point in fighting against a middle position player's range with such bad cards when you're still with a stack of 39bb. Post-flop thoughts aside, this is exactly how you lose buy-ins, by getting into pots with bad hands and finding reasons to continue because you caught the flop a little bit. This is what's happening in the background with poker.

Thank you, so the first hand was fine.

It's not a mistake to fold on the second hand, but I got such a good pot odds that I couldn't fold. I know GTO doesn't matter, but even it gives in sometimes.
Yes, it was a mistake that I couldn't fold. I get a little attached to the flop and overplay my hand :/ Anyway, a 6 would have come on the river

primrose · Sep 5, 2025

Forgot to comment on these.

Tl;dr I think both are pretty much fine. Hand 1, the BB played this super strong, you have to give them credit for a better hand. They might be bluffing but they just didn't give you an opportunity to call them on it.

Live I would just fold to the 3bet, but idk if you can do that online. GTO would never fold this, it might actually 4bet (your CO squeeze should be wide, so BB could 3bet pretty wide as well). But realistically BB won't 3bet wide enough, so the 4bet is probably not good.

Hand 2, it sucks to fold this Turn, but the almost pot bet on the Turn is really spooky. UTG+1 actually played this hand the way I play my bluffs; I bet small on the Flop, and if opponent doesn't raise, I assume they're capped and then I size up on the Turn. If you played this hand against me, you should always call because I'm unbalanced there and the large bet means I'm bluffing. But I like this line because it looks value-heavy; a typical online player probably has the opposite pattern, and the large bet just means they have the K and are freaked out by seeing so many low cards.

I disagree about folding this preflop, you're getting a phenomenal price. I think defending is correct.

So yeah, you really didn't make any big mistakes here, maybe no mistakes at all actually.

primrose · Sep 5, 2025

Geo90 said:
[gto chart]

That's assuming a 2.3 open though; your opponent did a minraise (so just 2.0 open). This will make a difference. Also you can defend wider than what GTO says because your opponents won't put on max pressure.

Geo90 said:
Anyway, a 6 would have come on the river

888poker lets you see what cards would have come? Gross. I thought only GG did that. You should never look. (I also looked when I was playing, but it's a mistake, it's better to not know irrelevant information.)

Geo90 · Sep 5, 2025

primrose said:
That's assuming a 2.3 open though; your opponent did a minraise (so just 2.0 open). This will make a difference. Also you can defend wider than what GTO says because your opponents won't put on max pressure.

888poker lets you see what cards would have come? Gross. I thought only GG did that. You should never look. (I also looked when I was playing, but it's a mistake, it's better to not know irrelevant information.)

Yes, I just couldn't set it up

So was the entry correct? Can you give me the turn?

Bencb points out several times in his videos that ChipEV and Icm scales are not the same, so I'm not sure if this is the best way to check my game, but I can't find a better free App at the moment.

Yes, unfortunately, there is, and I always check it

You're just making yourself angry. There's no point in checking. How do you know that even if you had entered it, that card would have arrived?

primrose · Sep 5, 2025

Geo90 said:
Yes, I just couldn't set it up So was the entry correct? Can you give me the turn?

I don't use the program, so no idea about the turn. But note that I'd have defended this even if the solver said not to. You're paying 150 to play a 835 pot; you need to realize 18% (!) equity to make this worth it. I'm positive I could do that. The solver might also use a smaller Ante. So probably three factors (minraise instead of 2.5, smaller Ante, and opponent not playing like a solver postflop) should make the call better than the program says.

I think the last one is a pretty big one. GTO is extremely aggressive and will make your life hell with a capped range out of position. This is why equity realization is much lower than actual equity. Like, even 72o will have more than 18% equity against the raising range, but the problem is that you have to play three post-flop steets (so equity realization may be <18%), and that becomes less of a problem if your opponent is weak.

Bencb points out several times in his videos that ChipEV and Icm scales are not the same, so I'm not sure if this is the best way to check my game, but I can't find a better free app at the moment.

Right, ICM is also a factor, and that will generally push you toward folding. But I don't think it matters that much.

fundiver199 · Sep 6, 2025

First of all is this actually a Pot limit game, or did you just misclick, when you made the post? Not that it matter to much, since all the bets were less than pot.

Hand 1 AQs

Preflop
You could go a bit larger when isolating a limper. The 3-bet kind of suck, but it seems really tight to fold AQs in position, so I think, its a sigh-call. I would not 4-bet jam, mostly because almost nobody find light 3-bets from BB with this kind of stack size. So without reads on the opponent I dont think, you have much if any fold equity, or that you are in good shape when called.

Flop
He bet half his remaining stack, which basically commit him to the pot, so its sort of a non all-in all-in. You have two overcards and two backdoor draws, but with almost no stack left behind, I dont think, you can continue here, so I agree with the fold.

Hand 2 54o

Preflop
Think its fine to defend here to a min-raise given, there is an ante, but it is an UTG open, and your hand is pretty bad although connected, so it would not be crazy either to let it go.

Flop
Pretty mandatory to peel at least one street, when you flop a pair, and he make a small C-bet.

Turn
You picked up an OESD, and you still beat bluffs, so this fold is way to tight in my opinion. You have to call here again and then see, what happen on the river. If you face another big bet unimproved, thats the time, you can let it go.

primrose · Sep 6, 2025

I just assumed the Pot Limit thing was a missclick.

fundiver199 said:
Turn
You picked up an OESD, and you still beat bluffs, so this fold is way to tight in my opinion. You have to call here again and then see, what happen on the river. If you face another big bet unimproved, thats the time, you can let it go.

Let's see. An OESD has 8 outs, and the two 5's are most likely also outs so now that's 10. The 4s are dubious because they give Ax the straight, so let's count them a little and say 11. Then you have 22% to get there on the River. You need 32% equity to call this bet. So we need about a third of opponent (a) not having the K AND (b) not picking up a better pair on the River AND (c) not continuing the bluff on the River (since you're intending to fold).

Which is... kinda close? Though you do have some implied odds when you do get the straight (i.e., you will win more than just the pot) that make it better. Ok hm I wanted to argue for the fold here but now I'm kinda 50-50 after crunching the numbers. I don't think it's a clear call though. I don't see a lot of people being like me and bluffing this card for 90% Pot.

fundiver199 · Sep 6, 2025

primrose said:
I don't think it's a clear call though. I don't see a lot of people being like me and bluffing this card for 90% Pot.

It is a pretty big sizing, which I guess is an argument for folding. If it was more like 60% pot, there I think, there is not even anything to discuss. But there are still a lot of hands, that missed this board, and AX picked up a wheeldraw, which could make the Villain continue to bet with his AQ, AJ, ATs etc. I will admit though, that its probably not "way to tight" to fold. Looking at it again it is a somewhat close decision, especially if you think, the Villain dont have bluffs in his range.

Geo90 · Sep 10, 2025

primrose said:
I don't use the program, so no idea about the turn. But note that I'd have defended this even if the solver said not to. You're paying 150 to play a 835 pot; you need to realize 18% (!) equity to make this worth it. I'm positive I could do that. The solver might also use a smaller Ante. So probably three factors (minraise instead of 2.5, smaller Ante, and opponent not playing like a solver postflop) should make the call better than the program says.

I think the last one is a pretty big one. GTO is extremely aggressive and will make your life hell with a capped range out of position. This is why equity realization is much lower than actual equity. Like, even 72o will have more than 18% equity against the raising range, but the problem is that you have to play three post-flop steets (so equity realization may be <18%), and that becomes less of a problem if your opponent is weak.

Right, ICM is also a factor, and that will generally push you toward folding. But I don't think it matters that much.

In this post, I just want to thank you and fundiver199 for being so helpful. I am grateful for it. These detailed analyses have improved my game the most. I feel that I owe this victory to you!

Geo90 · Sep 10, 2025

primrose said:
I don't use the program, so no idea about the turn. But note that I'd have defended this even if the solver said not to. You're paying 150 to play a 835 pot; you need to realize 18% (!) equity to make this worth it. I'm positive I could do that. The solver might also use a smaller Ante. So probably three factors (minraise instead of 2.5, smaller Ante, and opponent not playing like a solver postflop) should make the call better than the program says.

I think the last one is a pretty big one. GTO is extremely aggressive and will make your life hell with a capped range out of position. This is why equity realization is much lower than actual equity. Like, even 72o will have more than 18% equity against the raising range, but the problem is that you have to play three post-flop steets (so equity realization may be <18%), and that becomes less of a problem if your opponent is weak.

Right, ICM is also a factor, and that will generally push you toward folding. But I don't think it matters that much.

I also thought that it couldn't be thrown away with such good pot odds.

I don't always use the solver, and you said that micron isn't the best direction, but I sometimes check my game there

I'm trying to dig deeper into the ICM effect now, how I should change my game as we progress further in the tournament.

Geo90 · Sep 10, 2025

fundiver199 said:
Először is, ez tényleg egy pot limit játék, vagy csak rosszul kattintottál, amikor posztoltad? Nem mintha annyira számított volna, mivel minden tét kevesebb volt, mint a pot.

1. kéz AQ-k

Preflop
Limpelő esetén kicsit nagyobb tétet is választhatnál. A 3-bet elég szívás, de pozícióból elég feszesnek tűnik az AQ-k dobása, szóval szerintem ez csak sóhaj-call. Én nem mennék 4-bettel all-in, főleg azért, mert ekkora stackmérettel szinte senki sem talál könnyű 3-beteket BB-től. Szóval az ellenfél readjei nélkül nem hiszem, hogy sok vagy egyáltalán van dobási részesedésed, vagy hogy jó formában lennél, amikor megadják.

Flop
A maradék stackjének felét tette fel, amivel gyakorlatilag elkötelezte magát a pot mellett, szóval ez egyfajta nem all-in all-in. Két overcardod és két backdoor draw-d van, de mivel szinte nincs stacked, nem hiszem, hogy itt folytathatod, szóval egyetértek a dobással.

2. kéz 54o

Preflop
Szerintem nyugodtan védekezhetsz egy minimális emelés ellen, van ante, de ez egy UTG nyílt lap, és a kezed elég rossz, bár összefüggő, szóval nem lenne őrültség elengedni sem.

Flop
Kötelező legalább egy streetet megverni, amikor flopnál egy pár jön, és ő egy kis C-betet tesz.

Fordulat
Felkaptál egy OESD-t, és még így is legyőzöd a blöfföket, szóval ez a dobás szerintem túl szoros. Újra meg kell adnod a tétet, és meglátni, mi történik a riveren. Ha újabb nagy téttel nézel szembe, ami nem javult, akkor elengedheted.

It was my fault, it was a game with no limits

1. Yes, it could have been 1 BB more than lifting

After such a raise, I think there is no fold equity left.

2. If my card improves, I win, if I bluff and pass, I can go all-in on the river, in fact, I defend BB extensively, but the downside is that I get into situations like that.

fundiver199 · Sep 10, 2025

Geo90 said:
In this post, I just want to thank you and fundiver199 for being so helpful. I am grateful for it. These detailed analyses have improved my game the most. I feel that I owe this victory to you.

Congrats. Always feels great to win a MTT

Geo90 · Sep 10, 2025

fundiver199 said:
Congrats. Always feels great to win a MTT

Yes, it was great, and I felt good while doing it. I felt like I was dominating the tables, I had a lot of chips, I was able to put a lot of pressure on them, I played ultra-aggressively, and of course I was lucky too

These are always good proof that if you work at it and learn, you will eventually get results

I even aimed for $5-11 tournaments

primrose · Sep 10, 2025

Geo90 said:
In this post, I just want to thank you and fundiver199 for being so helpful. I am grateful for it. These detailed analyses have improved my game the most. I feel that I owe this victory to you!

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Congrats! 😊

eetenor · Sep 10, 2025

Geo90 said:
As I manage to win tickets to bigger tournaments, I fail one after another. Maybe they play better there, and I can't get there because of my shortcomings. It was a knockout tournament, and I fail one knockout after another. I never manage to win a knockout, even though I always use these tickets in knockout tournaments, where I think I can get money the fastest.

First Hand!
888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 60/120 (15 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat - https://www.cardschat.com/replayer?hand=aa1ogXN5

UTG: 2,665 (22 bb)
UTG+1: 11,059 (92 bb)
MP: 7,155 (60 bb)
MP+1: 5,589 (47 bb)
CO (Hero): 5,880 (49 bb)
BU: 4,494 (37 bb)
SB: 7,764 (65 bb)
BB: 4,028 (34 bb)

Pre-Flop: (300) Hero is CO with A♠ Q♠
1 fold, UTG+1 calls 120, 2 players fold, Hero raises to 360, 2 players fold, BB 3-bets to 1,080, 1 fold, Hero calls 720

Flop: (2,460) 9♥ 4♠ J♦ (2 players)
BB bets 1,491, CO (Hero) folds
The limper was a fish, he limped a lot in other games too, I don't have any information about my opponents, I don't play at this level,

PF: I don't think I should have 4-bet,

F: I'll give a smaller cbet, but I didn't want to bet 12.5 BB, I would have improved with many cards but I'm not sure if I'm ahead, and in this case I was more afraid of losing my chips, which was a mistake.

Second hand!
888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 75/150 (20 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat - https://www.cardschat.com/replayer?hand=aa1ogY6J

UTG: 4,404 (29 bb)
UTG+1: 7,614 (51 bb)
MP: 5,198 (35 bb)
MP+1: 2,080 (14 bb)
CO: 11,489 (77 bb)
BU: 6,690 (45 bb)
SB: 5,349 (36 bb)
BB (Hero): 5,810 (39 bb)

Pre-Flop: (385) Hero is BB with 5♦ 4♣
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to 300, 5 players fold, Hero calls 150

Flop: (835) 3♣ 5♥ K♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 275, Hero calls 275

Turn: (1,385) 2♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 1,246, BB (Hero) folds

PF: I could have folded, but since Antek was in and only raised 2bb, it wasn't a mistake to call. I had to put 150 into 658, so in this case I usually bet 2.5BB and call 2bb under 20-25BB.

F: I don't even get bad flops, you can give a small raise like that, I don't think you should play check raise.

R: I got a really good hand, I'm in a straight draw,, and I'm getting almost a pot call, which could be a strong bluff.
He knows I could be in a straight draw with a small pair, so I can call with anything from BB.

If he has QK, I have a 29% chance.
If he has AK, I only have a 20% chance.

I think I should have called. If I improve, I'll definitely go. If I have two pairs, I might stay behind, but I wouldn't play a check-raise.

Watching replayer stopping at each decision point.

1 raise limp fine
2 BB raise----in non GTO games BB raise here is very strong very few bluffs probably no weaker Ax hands so we do not dominate any hand
We are in a 50/50 spot most often
Calling is fine but we will have to hit to win most often as the BB has close to a1-1 spr
3 Flop J94 the 1 Ax hand they 3 bet more often is AJ so now we are behind that hand--Kjs 3 bets sometimes We block KQ etc etc
4 BB bets half their stack--We ask ourselves is this an all-in indicator--bluff--semi bluff AK what does this indicate from a very narrow 3 bet range?
If we call here can we get to the river do we call a blank turn when they shove? Are we ever ahead here? Would 55 bet half stack? what bets half stack that we are ahead of?

You fold

In MTT stack protection is a thing vs narrow range V.

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