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Message: [QUOTE="eetenor, post: 7175434, member: 385063"] you state "So I bet in order to make Jx and lower pairs to fold" What JX hands call a three- bet--- build that range. Can we really expect those hands to fold on this flop? If we cannot get Jx to fold on the flop if we want JX to fold what do we have to do on further streets? Should we even be thinking we could get those JX combos to fold without putting max pressure ie: going all-in at some point? In a 3 bet pot call OOP which is more likely a JX hand or a QX hand? When we bet flop we know we cannot get Qx or JX or flush draws to fold most often so why that sizing? As to that board it hits our V range very well, this is not a board that we have a big advantage on. We have AA KK but they have JJ 88 QJ T9 KT etc etc :unsure::geek: [/QUOTE]