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Message: [QUOTE="dirty, post: 300838, member: 1776"] Too weak for me... If the blinds represent 1/10th of your stack or less, and let's say you are on the button and had 1 limper in middle position with a similar stack. You get a q suited, should you push? Damn right you do, you probably have the best hand right now, and if they fold, you just added 1/4 of your stack to your stack, and if you get called, its either going to be you way ahead, way behind, or a coinflip. Let's say you're way ahead, someone with A little off calls, that means you win 3/4 times (dont know the exact numbers, but it is something close). That means you double up and then some 3 times, making your stack healthy, and go broke one time. Good odds if you ask me, most pro's are looking for 5% advantages, you have a 75/25 advantage here. Let's say you get called by 77. You got a coinflip, half the time you do more than double up, the other half of the time, you bust out. Thems the breaks, but if you play weak during that stage of the tourney, you will eventually blind out. A Q suited is too good of a hand to muck that early on, or even just call with. Now let's look at what hands are way ahead of a q suited right here. We got 4 hands to worry about, ak, aa, kk, and qq. 2 of those hands, you are behind, but an ace hitting beats them, and ak, you need to hit a queen while not hitting a king. 3 outs versus kk, qq, and ak, not counting flush and straight possibilities. Against aa, you are deep in the hole, but this is a good example of why the all in play can have its advantages, like when the blinds represent 10% of your stack or more. If the blinds are 10/20, and you got a 1500 stack, I see no hand in the world that is worth a push, except for 2 exceptions. I would push aa or kk if there was a raise and a reraise in front of me, otherwise, I am just raising more. If you pushed without a raise and a reraise, you will most likely see folds, and that is not maximizing value. [/QUOTE]

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