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Message: [QUOTE="finaltable1, post: 5763487, member: 187503"] Well, first of all I would like to remind you that football was invented in England(United Kingdom of Great Britain). It's the game (originally) played by gentlemen, and the main rules say that the the foot kicks the ball, and no hands involved. This is the objective truth. If you live in the country where football is the *rugby style* game where players are using their hands to carry the ball and use muscles instead of ball control and technique then i believe that something is wrong with logic that says that this game is "FOOTBALL" :ahhhhh: It's kind of logic that is being used when someone is bombing for peace and trying to bring democracy from the place where it has never existed in reality but always exists as a paper myth. That's I believe objective logic(opinion of a independent observer if you wish). Other types of logic also have the right to exist, subjective opinions can't be cancelled or ignored, just because they represent some point of view. However such points of view might have little or no weight, being far away from the truth. In my post I've compared two not really good things = football and poker. Football is better because you're using your body, you're running, sweating and so on. When we're playing poker we're just sitting = worst type of activity ever. IF we'll think about so called "mind stimulation". Well, poker arithmetic is good for 13-15 y.o. kids, and more to that - you can easily remember main things so you won't even have to calculate odds/outs. After first couple of months playing poker you will quit thinking thoughts like "hey i have 2 spades, 2 more on the flop, 13 in total, so what are my chances to hit the flush on turn or river" - this process will be automated. Rest of the information and signals - it will also be automated during some period of time. SO what kind of progress we're talking about when we're discussing poker pro? THe only thing we can talk about is his bankroll and maybe rank, that's all. Is it useful for society? Some person compared the poker table with a one seat bicycle, 6 clowns are riding it and during their ride they're playing pick-pocketing tournament with each other, there is a referee in their tourney and they have to pay him a fee. Each clown is trying to look smart and nice so that the referee will give him more points. But the truth is that the referee always wins, and clowns have red noses, such is truth of this game for all participants. ANd for the independent observer who isn't involved in the game it all looks like some stupid circus where 7 clowns are wasting their life time doing nothing useful for society in general and for themselves as a group. Bicycle owner = poker site or casino = the one who always makes money. It's nice for such business owner to have several such referees, tens of bikes and hundreds of clowns willing to participate. Owner can launch this and enjoy the rake without taking part in the circus. He's a winner. While all other participants are pure losers, doesn't matter if they're winning players, losing players, pros, grinders - it all doesn't matter, they're just different types of losers. It's a bit sad that such word as propaganda is being replaced today with different words like brand, PR, advertisement and so on. Propaganda explains why poker is cool, it explained years ago why smoking cigarettes is cool, why throwing another $1000 on new smartphone each year is cool. If something makes you feel cool and you're paying money/time for this, and suddenly you behave like a fan (short of fanatic) maybe it's better to stop and think about real positive and negative sides of what you're doing? I mean some real objective thinking basing on facts, without playing football with hands. [/QUOTE]

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