Online poker compared to live, my opinion

[Master_nolios]

I find it funny how often drawing hands hit online compared to live. Or that only way you can win is a runner runner. Of coarse it is after they shove on a over bet. I've lost so many flopped to two pair im afraid to play them.
Access or kings in pocket two pair hit the flop. Or how often the flop straight loses to the river flush.

I'm not complaining because it does come my way just not as often. Might be because I don't play stupid. Maybe stupid isn't the right word reckless. But reckless seems to work. I'm a watcher. I watch tables for hours. Make notes because you can't track if your not playing. But I make good notes. When I see them again. It's like taking candy from a baby.

I didn't trash any particular site. Mostly they all have the same algorithm butif I was to advice changing its those drawing hands. The online players will leave the live table thinking the odds are better than they are. How did i hardly ever hit my draws. Drawing hands is the bread and butter of live. Just a thought.

 

[alien666dj]

If you need to be skeptical about something, then this is not a problem. The problem mainly grows out of self-doubt and the lack of a plan, at least for a short time.

 

[Poker Orifice]

I find it funny how often drawing hands hit online compared to live. Or that only way you can win is a runner runner. Of coarse it is after they shove on a over bet. I've lost so many flopped to two pair im afraid to play them.
Access or kings in pocket two pair hit the flop. Or how often the flop straight loses to the river flush.

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Well this is typical for rookies.... and have seen this from hundreds upon hundreds of others who have come before you on here. What I'm saying is.. Your statement is typical for that of a newer player.

This is a good thing... you have so much to look forward to.

 

[fundiver199]

Its no more difficult for a computer program to deal 52 cards in a random way, than it is for a human dealer. In fact it can be argued, its probably easier. So basically this is just another variation of the ancient old idea, that most if not all online poker sites are rigged. Meaning that someone has on purpose designed the algoritm to favour certain outcomes, which for whatever reason is benefitial for the site.

If you are interested in this subject, I recommend visiting the "poker goals, challenges and wins" section, where you will find the "rigged megathread". It has more than 13.000 replies dating back from the birth of the forum more than a decade ago, so there should be enough to keep you busy for several days. Or you could just forget this "rigged" nonsense and work on your game instead

 

[Master_nolios]

Well this is typical for rookies.... and have seen this from hundreds upon hundreds of others who have come before you on here. What I'm saying is.. Your statement is typical for that of a newer player.

This is a good thing... you have so much to look forward to.

Rookie according to whom. Doesn't bother me just think you judged a book by the cover. I'm a wll established live player. I have played online for a while. When you look up a player you shouldn't assume that the limited number of games has a lot of meaning. Your free rolls are with sites I don't normally play on. Once I figure out the site I'll look up the points you get for tourneys. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm on your list. I like a challenge for sure. See you at the tables. Thanks for the encouragement.

 

[Master_nolios]

Its no more difficult for a computer program to deal 52 cards in a random way, than it is for a human dealer. In fact it can be argued, its probably easier. So basically this is just another variation of the ancient old idea, that most if not all online poker sites are rigged. Meaning that someone has on purpose designed the algoritm to favour certain outcomes, which for whatever reason is benefitial for the site.

If you are interested in this subject, I recommend visiting the "poker goals, challenges and wins" section, where you will find the "rigged megathread". It has more than 13.000 replies dating back from the birth of the forum more than a decade ago, so there should be enough to keep you busy for several days. Or you could just forget this "rigged" nonsense and work on your game instead

Had to reread thread. Not once did I say rigged. Even said I benefited from this lucky draw more than I should. I didn't mention any sites. Sites don't have any benefits of favoring any single player. Unless your working for site by endorsing it. Sites make money by rake. I get it. More action more rake. Tweaking algorithm isn't hard and would help meet a business model of making money. I wasn't complaining but making an observation. I fully understand the ups and down of poker. There no crying in poker. Glad I mention this was an opinion. But I will conclude if you don't track you are a fool. Numbers don't lie. :deal:

 

[fundiver199]

Not once did I say rigged.

If certain outcomes are more common, than they should be, and its not just over some meaningless small sample, then its rigged. Per definition. So you not using the word makes no difference. And if you did not believe, online poker sites are rigged, then why even bother to start this thread? And why write something like this?

Tweaking algorithm isn't hard and would help meet a business model of making money.

Sure rigging a site would be very easy. But that does not mean, its being commonly done. It would also be very easy for this to be exposed, and for the offenders to go down in flames.

But I will conclude if you don't track you are a fool. Numbers don't lie.

Yes serious online players have been using trackers like PT4 for many years. Some have millions of hands in their databases to perform statistical analysis on and detect, if any kind of distribution is abnormal.

 

[mrc1988]

I want to start by saying I have played more hands online that most people will see in their entire life. I don't believe it is "rigged" in the sense that most people do. I think that RNG's do the best they can and sites won't benefit from that info ever getting out. What I do know is this.

Online you are seeing 8-10 times the hands that you will see in real life. Humans as a whole tend to remember the bad and forget the good. I have a crazy belief that what is best for the site is actually to move money back and forth to players to get rake. AKA nobody loses as much as anyone else but the site has the most to gain....

small issue with this... if everyone is programmed to get the old suckout for no reason....doesn't that mean that the game is fair for everyone in the first place? IE We are all eating the same poop sandwhich. Does it matter what end you are biting from?

Lastly. Live poker is a joke at the right table. I have yet to walk away from an online session thinking to myself....wow that was easy.

Take all of that for what you want to.

 

[Poker Orifice]

. When you look up a player you shouldn't assume that the limited number of games has a lot of meaning. .

What are you talking about?

I haven't 'looked you up'. My info. is all in your first post on this thread.

 

[Master_nolios]

If certain outcomes are more common, than they should be, and its not just over some meaningless small sample, then its rigged. Per definition. So you not using the word makes no difference. And if you did not believe, online poker sites are rigged, then why even bother to start this thread? And why write something like this?



Sure rigging a site would be very easy. But that does not mean, its being commonly done. It would also be very easy for this to be exposed, and for the offenders to go down in flames.



Yes serious online players have been using trackers like PT4 for many years. Some have millions of hands in their databases to perform statistical analysis on and detect, if any kind of distribution is abnormal.

I always thought rigged ment someone had the upper hand. I eventide I benefited from it. No I think everyone is screwed. If there is a rigged situation it would be in the benefit of the site. You ever play live poker? It's very boring. Most hands on live Poker don't make. Online of you go more than 5 hands without a supper hand against a supper hand. I guess the sites may dictate.

Let's say this. 1000 hand played live you would see hands very few of monster on monster. Hand neither can really fold in good poker. Online within 5 hands you have this situation. I don't think players have advantage. Just the sites. Pill your card up. Look at situations like top pocket pair. Flop with a pair on the board. It slows play because of you push most fold. Doesn't mean other player had the card for trips.

Pull up your flopped straights. Bet majority of time a flush draw appears. Didn't mean other player had it. Just to common is all.

I do fine playing the sites. Observation doesn't mean I don't adapt. I'm comfortable with my play. Site has to earn my respect before I deposit. Only two have been able to get my money. But normally I play with others money acquired through free rolls or private tourneys. Rarely am I not ahead of the game . Good luck

 

[zipocool]

I find it funny how often drawing hands hit online compared to live. Or that only way you can win is a runner runner. Of coarse it is after they shove on a over bet. I've lost so many flopped to two pair im afraid to play them.
Access or kings in pocket two pair hit the flop. Or how often the flop straight loses to the river flush.

I'm not complaining because it does come my way just not as often. Might be because I don't play stupid. Maybe stupid isn't the right word reckless. But reckless seems to work. I'm a watcher. I watch tables for hours. Make notes because you can't track if your not playing. But I make good notes. When I see them again. It's like taking candy from a baby.

I didn't trash any particular site. Mostly they all have the same algorithm butif I was to advice changing its those drawing hands. The online players will leave the live table thinking the odds are better than they are. How did i hardly ever hit my draws. Drawing hands is the bread and butter of live. Just a thought.

online, you won’t be so affected by variance, you can play several thousand hands a day in cash and dozens of tournaments, and offline you can play 1-2 tournaments a day and a few tens, or a maximum of hundreds in cash, so it will be online at a distance definitely more beneficial

 

[thedarkman]

I find it funny how often drawing hands hit online compared to live. Or that only way you can win is a runner runner. Of coarse it is after they shove on a over bet. I've lost so many flopped to two pair im afraid to play them.
Access or kings in pocket two pair hit the flop. Or how often the flop straight loses to the river flush.

You play a lot more hands on-line even without multi-tabling so it may appear there are more outdraws. Rest assured, you will find many players here and elsewhere who will tell you how their flopped straight was rivered by a flush or a house.

 

[SopianaeExtra]

Site has to earn my respect before I deposit. Only two have been able to get my money.

It would be nice to know: Which ones are they?

 

[Luan]

in the online game you don't know who deals the cards if it's a person or a machine, you don't know who is playing against you you don't know if the person on the other side is not cheating on you, in live you see who deals who is in hand with you, you analyze who the way the person plays how he behaves at the table, I think the free game is better!

 

[Vilgeoforc]

Probably, I also thought that the rooms were playing against me if I had not seen the most unexpected combinations in home games.

 

[takinitSLEAZEE]

It's all smoke & mirrors, man. The distraction is so subtle and discreet that you never see it coming until POOF! Big ol' stanky river comes and your chips disappear.
I once had a guy swear up and down that he was gonna rip my eyes out and inject them into my body via a very vulnerable orifice because I flopped a set of 10's and he a straight and I tanked when he shoved but then called, even after turning my cards over to show the table the dilemma I was in. Then I filled up when the board paired a J. I guess it was his last $20. It was at a pool hall poker game. It's going to happen, regardless, whether it's online or live on poker-go. Beats are just part of the game, especially at lower limits. cguru:

 

[ga25x]

I doubt it, but if it's rigged, we gonna find out sooner or later.
Anyway to play live poker for me is the same as to watch movie in slow motion. So i'll continue my online saga...