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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6481338, member: 305911"] Pre flop: 3x is fine but at 60 BBs 2.5x works as well. So in other words... 3x is just fine Flop: I would not bet much less than half pot here against two opponents since there are a lot of hands that are worse than ours that will call. Two diamonds will call often, Ax will call a lot of sizings here, QJ and KJ are tempted to call, hands like K10 or Q10 with K or Q of diamonds could call plus all the suited connector hands that could play pre like 98 and 87 have a gutter as well. With all those draws out there and knowing worse Ax could call I would go at least half here but might go slightly bigger. Your half pot bet is not a mistake just saying you could prob go bigger. Turn: You now have top two and the board is double suited. QJ got there but I am not too worried about it. When the board double suits like this and we have two pair we need to be betting on the large side. I dont think in game I make it pot but I go fairly large here. Im guessing we start with 3k in chips and blinds start at 25/50 (just a guess) so that leaves us about 2600 going to the turn. Imo, any bet sizing that we should be making it to (at least 60% pot imo) does at least come close to committing us especially if we go 3/4ths or larger. When we get raised Im with you that Im not up against a draw here but I also feel like sets and other two pairs would be raising on the flop and KK would be tough for villain to have both from us blocking and from villain only calling pre flop. I would be thinking that this is QJ or more likely K10. It also could be a hand like AJ, A9, A8 of hearts. As played we bet 1200 of what I think was our remaining 2600 which commits us so knowing that there still could be some worse hands you need to call this off as you did. Im surprised villain had a set on the flop with that board and only called. There was a lot of draws including gutters out there so surprised they slowplayed it a bit and of course bad luck for you (as it turned out) that you nailed top two with the turn. If you started this hand deeper then maybe you could find a way out of it although it still would tough but given 60 BBs and a bet necessary on the flop and then imo a bet of good sizing necessary on the turn there is not much you can do. As far as your questions go, I would think about what villains would do if they had a set on the flop. In this case, with this flop I would not think they would be only calling so I would discount their set potential. Your other question about folding top two to a raise depends on how deep we are, what we know about villain, the board texture, and what we have invested in the hand already. In this specific case if I had made a 60% pot bet on the turn (the smallest I would go btw) folding would run through my mind but I doubt I would given I would decipher that there are worse hands that could do this here that are not draws but are made hands. Betting the size you did on the turn no way am I folding and Im going with it without too much thought. Overall I dont think there is too much different you can do on this hand. You needed to go large on the turn which probably did not have to be pot but it needed to be large enough to probably commit you anyway. This would be much more of a decision if se started the hand at 100 BBs deep or 150 BBs deep but at 60 with how it ran out, you're going with it as you did. [/QUOTE]

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