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Message: [QUOTE="eetenor, post: 6922538, member: 385063"] So fishy loose player we want them to fold air and continue with better hmmmmmmm pot is currently 4390 not antes mentioned and the V has7k left- if we min raise to fold air only pot will be 7150 and we will have put 1/3 of our stack in the middle to fold to the shove which will have draws in it-- Air only folds min raises are what is typical however they seldom work vs loose fishy players so we need back doors to even try it and more chips in our stack would be good too [/QUOTE]