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Message: [QUOTE="eetenor, post: 6572137, member: 385063"] This hand is a spot where we can stack protect once we 3 bet and get lead into by an unknown at this buy-in level-We can fold flop- Why? What is a weak player leading into us with when we 3 bet? 77? X5 X 2 not in a 3 bet pot most often---think about our 3 bet range vs a 40bb open ---we are 3 betting GTO 8% of hands-88 is a flat by the way- GTO or non GTO villains- HJ has shoves- and it is - Neg EV to call- after 3 betting So vs a standard V thinking we are a standard V--they are most often thinking we 3 bet 5% of hands and yet they lead into us putting their stack at risk- So what do they lead? AA trap preflop- Qx 55- JJ TT maybe-flush draws AKss A2ss Vs that range we can find an exploit fold with the 88 on flop even in position- Add in the 8s and the call is better but not even necessary vs standard V [/QUOTE]