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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6533921, member: 305911"] Other points have been hit on so I will give my 2 cents on call vs jam here. First, we have AK with the effective stack being 13BBs so we are not folding here unless we were in some satty. So its call or fold. I agree with others that when we call here then we shouldnt be folding post flop so a call is a committal to the hand. I also believe that rarely villain will ever not jam the flop if we happen to just call here since if they hit, they are going with it, if they already have it, they are going with it, and if they have nothing then they need to try to bluff with 1/3rd their stack already in and the SPR being 1 ish. We then know pretty confidently that a call pre will lead to an all in on the flop no matter what cards are hitting. Can we say the same about jamming over here, is villain always calling our jam on the bubble when they did something out of the ordinary pre flop (raising large, although I see some players do this often as well when blinds get big and some do a mixture of blind stealing and big hands with it where others are just big hands)? These raises from some players indicate a hand that has some strength but is vulnerable. Its a hand where they feel is too good to fold pre, but then not good enough to jam and also not a hand where they want to raise and get called either. Usually these raises fall into the range of 55-99, A10, A9, KQ suited type hands. That is a general range that needs to be adjusted for each player you see do this but that is my general thoughts. Well, if villain has 88 or so they should not be raising this large off of this stack but they did it out of "protection" and fear of going broke or getting called pre and have to play post so they tried to make some bet that meets in the middle. These types of hands could fold to a jam knowing they are only flipping at best and could easily be crushed. Again, I would expect JJ to just go here with 13 BBs but there are hands that could do this that would fold if we jam over. Long winded answer, sorry, but to sum it up... jam here vs calling is better since we are committed no matter what we do and we could get hands that are favorites against us to fold or at least consider folding on the bubble like small and medium pairs. [/QUOTE]

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