GTO Wizard? HRC? Icimzer?

[Geo90]

Hi, everyone!

As an MTT player, if you were to invest in a program for Micro and Low stakes, would it be the HRC/ ICMIZER/ GTO Wizard?
I usually play tournaments between $1 and $15, but I'm playing more and more satellites, so I also play bigger tournaments.

 

[rsparente]

For micros/low stakes, I’d go ICMIZER first because it gives the biggest immediate ROI for MTTs and satellites. Then GTO Wizard for general preflop/postflop study. HRC is strong, but more of a later, deeper tool unless you’re doing heavy satellite grinding.

 

[Marshmalo1994]

Hi, everyone!

As an MTT player, if you were to invest in a program for Micro and Low stakes, would it be the HRC/ ICMIZER/ GTO Wizard?
I usually play tournaments between $1 and $15, but I'm playing more and more satellites, so I also play bigger tournaments.

I just started to study with ICMizer last week. At first I wasn't sure if I liked it, but I guess that is just till you get familiar with it.
The part that I like the most is the mtt coach and the automatic hand analysis.
I think GTO Wizard is more complete, but is much more expensive, so that depends on your budget.

 

[Geo90]

For micros/low stakes, I’d go ICMIZER first because it gives the biggest immediate ROI for MTTs and satellites. Then GTO Wizard for general preflop/postflop study. HRC is strong, but more of a later, deeper tool unless you’re doing heavy satellite grinding.

Thank you for your reply Then I'll choose between the two, While reading, I saw that ICMIZEr takes into account how many of us are still in the game and how many paid places there are, so you can get an accurate picture of the situation preflop.


The wizard is very good for practicing, and you can set up good drills for both preflop and postflop.

 

[Geo90]

I just started to study with ICMizer last week. At first I wasn't sure if I liked it, but I guess that is just till you get familiar with it.
The part that I like the most is the mtt coach and the automatic hand analysis.
I think GTO Wizard is more complete, but is much more expensive, so that depends on your budget.

Thank you, so you don't regret it

Mttt coach? Does AI respond to the given situation, or how does it work?
Can you upload unlimited hands?


The basic package for GTO Wizard is $35, which isn't too bad, and I think it's more than enough for beginners to learn preflop ranks, and you can set up any situation for postflop as well.

How much did ICMIZER cost?

 

[Marshmalo1994]

Thank you, so you don't regret it

No, Is a great tool, although is important to mention that is for <20BB effective analysis and push/fold situations.

You could see open ranges anyway, if you analyze for example, a hand where there's an open raiser (whatever his stack is), you'll be able to see what is he raising with.

Mttt coach? Does AI respond to the given situation, or how does it work?
Can you upload unlimited hands?

Mtt coach is a quiz mode practice of push/fold, it has different situations, tournaments and stages, very complete.
You can analyze as many hands as you want, but as I said, for <20BB effective stack.
You can also upload an entire tournament, and automatically will detect mistakes.

The basic package for GTO Wizard is $35, which isn't too bad, and I think it's more than enough for beginners to learn preflop ranks, and you can set up any situation for postflop as well.

How much did ICMIZER cost?

It cost $179 yearly. The thing with the basic version of GTO wizard to me is that it doesn't enable all the depths, although, is very complete.
I use the free version of GTO wizard and is already really useful.

 

[fundiver199]

Its a different kind of software, but if you dont have it already, I also think a tracker is very usefull for both cash games and tournaments. Like for instance PT4. But of course only if you play on sites, where you are use them, like pokerstars, 888 Poker or ACR Poker.

 

[Geo90]

No, Is a great tool, although is important to mention that is for <20BB effective analysis and push/fold situations.

You could see open ranges anyway, if you analyze for example, a hand where there's an open raiser (whatever his stack is), you'll be able to see what is he raising with.


Mtt coach is a quiz mode practice of push/fold, it has different situations, tournaments and stages, very complete.
You can analyze as many hands as you want, but as I said, for <20BB effective stack.
You can also upload an entire tournament, and automatically will detect mistakes.

It cost $179 yearly. The thing with the basic version of GTO wizard to me is that it doesn't enable all the depths, although, is very complete.
I use the free version of GTO wizard and is already really useful.

In the end, I paid for GTO, but it seems too complicated for now. I'm trying to practice the drills, but I read elsewhere that I shouldn't practice ChipEv anymore because it's more harmful than helpful, and ICM drills are only understandable at a higher level. They wrote that you have to take the ICM effect into account from the beginning of the game.

Under 20BB is fine, that's where the hardest decisions are made when to fold or call.

This MTT coach sounds really good, and you can save a lot of time with it if you cover the whole tournament. When my 1-month preview expires, I might try it out.

The price is much better than GTO.


So far, I've been using the free part, mostly checking preflop rankings, but as I wrote, you can only check ChipEv rankings in the free part, and I did 10 hands a day, but that seemed very little. You can set up a lot of things, like stack depth, position, flops, what kind of flop should be a straight draw, a flush draw, a high card, you can practice many situations, but I need to make some kind of learning plan


For now, I'm just practicing preflop rankings, then the 3 bets

https://pairrd.com/ This also seems useful, but there are so many such services available that it's confusing. Here, too, I use the free part, 10 hands a day.



I find it difficult to navigate.

 

[Geo90]

Its a different kind of software, but if you dont have it already, I also think a tracker is very usefull for both cash games and tournaments. Like for instance PT4. But of course only if you play on sites, where you are use them, like PokerStars, 888 Poker or ACR Poker.

Yes, I was thinking about that too. I could use PT4 because I only play in room 888.



I see that nothing can be used there, but I play less there anyway. I'm planning on it this week because of the Black Friday promotion.