Ask Collin Moshman and Katie Dozier About Sit ‘n Goes!

Just wanted to chime in about Nugget’s great question too. I’m still surprised that Party elected to make these dramatic changes—particularly with requiring the name change. I think a big reason people enjoy playing poker is the community aspect and that exists even online. With the name changes they’ve taken that away, which will of course be way more significant in the more niche game types where the player pools are smaller.

I find it hard to believe that this will contribute to more playing poker, but I’m just a person and not a huge company with a team of people presumably behind these changes!

Welcome to CC, Collin and Katie. I came back after a 9 month layoff, from anything poker related, to play SnGs on my phone on Global. Finding this thread on here was a nice surprise. Looking Forward to the stuff y'all have planned for CC. BTW, bought yours and Dara's books as a Father's day gift to myself. That's your fault too. LMAO Have a good un!

Haha thanks Talden, I really appreciate that and hope you enjoy both books. Good luck with your SNGs!

Hey Collin, hey Katie ,what is best HUD for PKO and BBs ? I use some, but my brain is very good tracker hah only make note in stars
sometimes we make wrong decision, because we have too many info
i hope see you sooon on stream

Hi, glad to see you both here at cardschat

Do either of you play multi-table PKO SNGs? If so, do you adjust your preflop all in calling range to go for bounties?

For example on the button with....

multiple all ins in front of you?
one all in from a loose player with a big bounty?
one all in from a loose player with a small bounty?

Disclaimer : .55 cent 9 Maxx Turbo. Lvl 3 50/100
Ok here's a quick question. Utg1 pushes with 3.5bb mid guy calls. I have 20bb on button. I call with KTdd. Thought process was, I was getting great odds, they might be blocking each other and 3.5bb wouldn't hurt that bad. Was it too early to Be gambling there?

Great question Alex, I never thought about changing my HUD for PKOs. Maybe some more stats pertaining to stack-off ranges? So off the top of my head I have to say the same HUD but I'll definitely give this more thought.

Do you use a different HUD for PKOs?

AlexBlefer said:

Hey Collin, hey Katie ,what is best HUD for PKO and BBs ? I use some, but my brain is very good tracker hah only make note in stars
sometimes we make wrong decision, because we have too many info
i hope see you sooon on stream

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Good question. Generally if you're thinking about putting much more than 10% of your stack in pre-flop, you should often just shove instead. Here for example, 3.5bb is a large enough fraction of a 20bb stack that I would just shove any hand I wanted to play. (Possibly with a few premium hands I would reraise small, but for the most part shove or fold). When everyone folds, you get heads-up with UTG+1 and his wide range with a lot of overlay.

Anyway the short answer is I'm usually folding KTs (although it's close!), never flat-calling, and shoving a range of around: 55, ATo, A7s, KQo, KJs

Talden said:

Disclaimer : .55 cent 9 Maxx Turbo. Lvl 3 50/100
Ok here's a quick question. Utg1 pushes with 3.5bb mid guy calls. I have 20bb on button. I call with KTdd. Thought process was, I was getting great odds, they might be blocking each other and 3.5bb wouldn't hurt that bad. Was it too early to Be gambling there?

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Thanks for the timely and detailed explanation. Have a good un!

Hello!


45max sng. ITM zone. 5 players in game

Hero MP2 with JJ (7bb) Hud vpip/pfr/3bet

preflop
Bu 18/12/7.9 (23bb)
Sb 34/16/4.8 (9bb)
BB 27/19/0.0 (35bb)
MP1 15/17/4.2 (11bb)
MP2 Hero JJ (7bb)

M1 fold
M2 (hero) call
Bu call
Sb call
BB Raise 3bb

Hero call/fold/all in ?

I think it is easy call, althought sb have 9 bb and loose statistics, and chip leader always making call this situation ? Or is it a borderline situation and hero can fold?

Tenek26 said:

Hello!


45max sng. ITM zone. 5 players in game

Hero MP2 with JJ (7bb) Hud vpip/pfr/3bet

preflop
Bu 18/12/7.9 (23bb)
Sb 34/16/4.8 (9bb)
BB 27/19/0.0 (35bb)
MP1 15/17/4.2 (11bb)
MP2 Hero JJ (7bb)

M1 fold
M2 (hero) call
Bu call
Sb call
BB Raise 3bb

Hero call/fold/all in ?

I think it is easy call, althought sb have 9 bb and loose statistics, and chip leader always making call this situation ? Or is it a borderline situation and hero can fold?

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Hi Tenek, as played I would definitely shove all-in over the raise here. In terms of tightening up with ICM, keep in mind that is not something we’ll be nearly as inclined to do when we’re already the shortest stack. In general we’re more correct to tighten up in ICM situations where we are a mid-stack, because the ICM tax on going broke when we’re already the short stack is dramatically less than as a total mid-stack with a few shorties.

That being said, I would greatly prefer to shove this pre as opposed to limping. We have a very big hand here, relative to the size of our stack, and would be very happy to be heads up against one of the blinds for the double up. The trouble with limping is that it often creates a string of calls whereas our equity will be higher against a single opponent with our whole stack in the middle (considering our relative monster holding). We also face the potential for a “family” pot heading into the flop, and there are a lot of multi-way flops where we aren’t going to love pocket jacks anymore but basically be forced to go with because of the extreme pot odds at that point.

Another reason to shove here initially is the fact that we should be shoving a pretty wide range with our stack in this scenario, so we should balance that range by also shoving hands towards the top of that range—just like we’d do if we held hands in the bottom of our open shoving range. In general we should not be limping with a sub 10bb stack, for many of the reasons that wind up showing up here.

Best of luck in the 45mans, I really enjoy them too and think they’re extremely fun games! [emoji4]

Collin Moshman said:

Great question Alex, I never thought about changing my HUD for PKOs. Maybe some more stats pertaining to stack-off ranges? So off the top of my head I have to say the same HUD but I'll definitely give this more thought.

Do you use a different HUD for PKOs?

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thank you Collin, I use as standard as anyone but I've been thinking about a particular HUD that will give us some extra information, as you said, more statistics pertaining to stack off ranges. It would be especially necessary at the micro and lower levels. I think it would be attractive for selling HUD for PKO because one of the formats is in the expansion and very much played. That is my format
and for more of my thoughts about it and what it would be good to put in statistics, I need some time and I will contact you Collin
thanks and see you soon )))

kcanuck said:

Hi, glad to see you both here at cardschat

Do either of you play multi-table PKO SNGs? If so, do you adjust your preflop all in calling range to go for bounties?

For example on the button with....

multiple all ins in front of you?
one all in from a loose player with a big bounty?
one all in from a loose player with a small bounty?

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Hi Kcanuck,

Yes, PKO MTTSNGs are super fun and we should be adjusting our calling ranges to go after the bounties—in general when we cover, the bigger the bounty that’s up for grabs, the wider our range for calling the all-in.

Of course when we don’t cover, and therefore our opponents’ bounties are not up for grabs we shouldn’t be shoving wider, and should keep in mind that our opponents are often adjusting by calling wider which should actually tend to tighten are own shoving range when we are the bounty that’s up for grabs.

In the example questions you give, we would widen our range versus in a non-bounty so long as our stack covers the all-ins. Hope this helps and best of luck!

Katie Dozier said:

Hi Tenek, as played I would definitely shove all-in over the raise here.

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Thanks for the answer! Although I usually play a loose-aggressive style and have a very wide range, in this situation I made a big icm mistake and started playing very tight. I threw off this monster, due to the fact that the difference between 1 prize place is very large and got a good lesson from a random number generator.

Tenek26 said:

Thanks for the answer! Although I usually play a loose-aggressive style and have a very wide range, in this situation I made a big icm mistake and started playing very tight.

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I totally get that and am glad you posted the hand! It’s most difficult for us to talk about hands we know we misplayed—but in the long run they’re the most profitable ones for us to be talking about. Thanks again for sharing your hand and hope you run especially well this weekend! [emoji4]

Tenek26 said:

Thanks for the answer! Although I usually play a loose-aggressive style and have a very wide range, in this situation I made a big icm mistake and started playing very tight. I threw off this monster, due to the fact that the difference between 1 prize place is very large and got a good lesson from a random number generator.

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The hardest hands to share with others are those that we feel we may have misplayed—I’ve downright felt ashamed before with some hands I knew I didn’t like when painfully relaying them to Collin haha.

I think those hands are the absolute most important to share though because it is very impactful for me in terms of avoiding the same mistake again. Sometimes I’ve used them as a vehicle for finding more systematic leaks that really improved my game once plugged.

Don’t sweat the individual hand, and thanks for avoiding the tendency to only post the hands we’re proud of! Hope you’re running well this week! [emoji4]

Thanks for the reply, it helps

Katie Dozier said:

Hi Kcanuck,

Yes, PKO MTTSNGs are super fun and we should be adjusting our calling ranges to go after the bounties—in general when we cover, the bigger the bounty that’s up for grabs, the wider our range for calling the all-in.

Of course when we don’t cover, and therefore our opponents’ bounties are not up for grabs we shouldn’t be shoving wider, and should keep in mind that our opponents are often adjusting by calling wider which should actually tend to tighten are own shoving range when we are the bounty that’s up for grabs.

In the example questions you give, we would widen our range versus in a non-bounty so long as our stack covers the all-ins. Hope this helps and best of luck!

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kcanuck said:

Thanks for the reply, it helps

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I’m so glad to hear this, thanks!

Ok just a basic question. What are some of the main adjustments you need to make in 6-maxx turbos? And I agree with you, 9-maxx turbos are way better than non-turbo.

Talden, good question, you play them the same for most of the game. If everyone folds to you on the button, for example, you should open the same range in 6max and 9man unless you know something about your opponents.

The first main difference is that you'll play the late positions more often, such as having the button 1/6 of the time instead of 1/9. So you have to be LAG enough or that leak will get magnified in 6max. The other main difference is in ICM. The shove/fold spots look different in 6max and you're often correct to be on tighter calling ranges on the 9man bubble vs the 6max.

Thanks for the info. Have a good un!

Collin & Katie,

First off thanks for answering all these questions! I live in the states and I really enjoy playing online. I am assuming you are aware of the options that we can play for sngs. What would you say would be the site or sites you would say to play sngs at. Since it sounds like you are in favor of huds I would imagine sites like Global that cant use huds on would be an option you wouldnt recommend? Thoughts on the sites like ACR, Global, Betonline, and Igntion and what sites you think you would recommend playing sngs and mttsngs?

Thanks again!

arie_0444 said:

Collin & Katie,

First off thanks for answering all these questions! I live in the states and I really enjoy playing online. I am assuming you are aware of the options that we can play for sngs. What would you say would be the site or sites you would say to play sngs at. Since it sounds like you are in favor of huds I would imagine sites like Global that cant use huds on would be an option you wouldnt recommend? Thoughts on the sites like ACR, Global, Betonline, and Igntion and what sites you think you would recommend playing sngs and mttsngs?

Thanks again!

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Hi Arie!

While options for Americans sadly aren’t perfect, I’d recommend playing on ACR for the wider selection of SNGs and MTTs than other US sites as well as being able to use a HUD (like you already mentioned). This is where a lot of my online action is these days.

Hope this helps and good luck! [emoji4]

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