All in pre with AK

[Arjonius]

I think that every one has different decision about this situation. Actually we all know that AKoff is behind every pair pre flop. And big favourite vs weaker A. This situation is coin flip so it is more gambling than poker skills. My decision about this hand depends on 2 things.
1) If i have successfull session and i am feeling lucky and winning then i won't miss this AK hand for nothing in the world.
2) If i feel unlucky with coin flips and i want to win money with poker skills i can fold the hand with ease.

This is cash play where you should be calling any time you're +EV.

 

[LD1977]

He should do this with his entire 3bet range from the blinds (usually wide for MSS players) since as I said many people autoraise SB limps and this is printing money if BB doesn't know proper calling range/frequencies.

 

[RodneyC86]

I think that every one has different decision about this situation. Actually we all know that AKoff is behind every pair pre flop. And big favourite vs weaker A. This situation is coin flip so it is more gambling than poker skills. My decision about this hand depends on 2 things.
1) If i have successfull session and i am feeling lucky and winning then i won't miss this AK hand for nothing in the world.
2) If i feel unlucky with coin flips and i want to win money with poker skills i can fold the hand with ease.

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bye bye


Thanks for the insight

 

[BearPlay]

I think that every one has different decision about this situation. Actually we all know that AKoff is behind every pair pre flop. And big favourite vs weaker A. This situation is coin flip so it is more gambling than poker skills. My decision about this hand depends on 2 things.
1) If i have successfull session and i am feeling lucky and winning then i won't miss this AK hand for nothing in the world.
2) If i feel unlucky with coin flips and i want to win money with poker skills i can fold the hand with ease.

Love this because it speaks to that poker instinct (and momentum) which often lives within each of us but cannot be mathematically considered. Love it !

 

[GSPchamp315]

I don't play cash games but from what you said I'd definitely call with A K and if it was a tournament and small blind shoves I'd always go all in with A K on the big blind. You unfortunately lost a flip but trying to only play hands when you're definitely a strong favourite will lose you a lot of money so I'd say you made the right call.

 

[pasqua544]

If the other shoe was on the other foot... would you push your 4-4 in this situation? Perhaps he had your range and figured A-K was beatable.
It's a coin flip that's for sure...

 

[IPlay]

If the other shoe was on the other foot... would you push your 4-4 in this situation? Perhaps he had your range and figured A-K was beatable.
It's a coin flip that's for sure...

I would not have pushed and I kind of doubt he put me on AK. In fact I am sure he was surprised that I called and probably more surprised that I held AK. Also, I would never willingly play as a short stack.

 

[Arjonius]

Fwiw, if you knew he had 44, you should probably fold. Not because you're a small dog (46.6%), but rather because having to pay rake makes the difference between calling being + or -EV. Assuming 5% rake, your EV is -0.145. Without rake, it would be +0.32.

Taking this a step farther, if you're getting 30% rakeback, calling is +EV about half a cent.

 

[redcross]

I make that call all day with short stack because most the time the short stack will shove with A anything then with your AK you have a huge advantage!

 

[FanatsLV]

fold you never know what be in flop and what is in oponent hand

 

[hffjd2000]

Incorrect. The pot odds aren't even close to terrible. They're in your favor.

When he shoves for $10, you are faced with calling $9 more to win a pot that would be $20. This gives you more than enough pot odds to offset being behind by a few %.

By calling as a 52:48 dog, you win $20 48% of the time, so your EV for your $9 call is $9.60 or +$0.60 compared to folding.

The pot is not 20, only 11.5 and calling with 9, so terrible pot odds. Youre losing mathematically here, so easy fold.

 

[LD1977]

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[hasto16]

I kind of feel like I know this answer but just want some opinions on it.

25NL and I am facing an all in raise from a short stack who has to have a low to medium pocket pair and I have AK, is it -EV to make this call?

The situation was going like this, there is a short stack to my right that I was kind of bullying with raises pre when he kept trying to limp and finally it goes like this

He is SB and I am BB and he once again limps in for .25, I raise to $1.00 and he shoves for $10. I am sitting here with AKo and am pretty sure he does not have AA or KK or he would of called to see a flop or did a smaller raise. I am pretty sure he is just frustrated because I was running him over and I figured he had a weak holding such as a medium pocket pair or maybe AJ AQ AK.

I call and he turns over 44 and they hold up.

Since any pocket pair is a favorite over AK is my call bad? Or is it +EV since he could of had AJ AQ or AK also which I had dominated/split.

I personally think it was a decent call on my part and was probably +EV, but since pokerstove is expired it is hard to tell

Anyone help me update pokerstove to get it working again?

Edit, I also feel like getting it all in pre with AK in a cash game is best if I am the one shoving since it also gives me a decent amount of fold equity, but is calling all in pre with AK a mistake?(That is the main question really.)

I think that with AK you have to raise but you have to be carefull too, because if someone raise you again you can suppose that he have AA or KK.
But after analyse if you are sure that it is a maniac player and he doesn't have these hands, you can follow him, because if there is an A or a K you have a better pair and kicker than him.
good luck in game

 

[ramalhah]

anyway AK is a monster and i think you probably should push with that most of the times (depending on the player u are against ...)

 

[Swickster007]

It's hard to go all in AK when you are in a tournament. The name of the game is to last, and you're basically throwing your chances to a coin flip. Pair of 7's > AK if you don't hit...and depending on your chip status, someone who has a lot more may call with something and have the same chance to hit.

 

[HaNz17]

Fold is good hand but no for play bingo, because 22 vs AK os flip 55% a %45

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[trent32la]

Considering he's a shorty at the table im probably calling...plus you've already invested $1 into the pot....its a very marginal call and theres much different opinions on this thread as I see...if he has a PP your around 47% to win...however if he has KQ AQ AJ AT your have him crushed and your about 70-73% to win....Even If I knew he had a pair im still probably calling...always hard to let go of AK preflop....

 

[runnerx289]

Easy call! never fold in this spot

 

[rock0001]

it depends on the style of this players. you can fold against a very nit player who only raises with premium hands like qq,kk,aa,ak or maybe aq and jj. however calling is a good option here considering ak preflop is a very strong hand which is only dominated by aces even if he has kings you still having almost 30% of chances of winning the hand.

 

[tohos]

The pot is not 20, only 11.5 and calling with 9, so terrible pot odds. Youre losing mathematically here, so easy fold.

So the $9 you put in magically disappears and the pot remains at $11.5 although you call? Dat logic. Can't argue with that.

 

[Thinker_145]

I am never folding AK pre-flop unless I am a big winner at the table and another big winner shoves, that is the only situation I am gonna contemplate folding it. I have been all-in plenty of times with AK and its been quite profitable because a lot of people at 5NL do shove with AQ/AJ and even worse hands sometimes.

 

[hffjd2000]

I think its really depends on the heroes' state. If our hero has decent BR, being lucky and likes to gamble at that day, then he'll call.

If our hero has limited BR, unlucky mostly, and doesnt fell like to gamble at that day, then he'll fold.

 

[RodneyC86]

I think its really depends on the heroes' state. If our hero has decent BR, being lucky and likes to gamble at that day, then he'll call.

If our hero has limited BR, unlucky mostly, and doesnt fell like to gamble at that day, then he'll fold.

seriously where are all these people coming from???

 

[BigggTymeR]

I am never folding AK pre against a shortstacker who I am running over because the no. of Hands I beat with AK is huge, Everything from JQs + to KQ to ATs+ which he will be shoving I have dominated. AA-KK-QQ are out of his range in this spot so calling here is always the +EV play in the long run because you have most of his range dominated and what you don't is a flip. So more often than not you will win and will be a +EV play. That's the only reason the pros do not fold AK pre unless its a 4BET+ Pot with 100BB+ Stacks or the other player is playing 5/4/2

 

[sleepymike]

My opinion here is that only a NIT folds here, and not always. Sounds like you used previous play as part of your decision process, and this (the outcome of your thought process) makes it a call.