It's ON! Negreanu vs Polk - Updates and Discussions!

[ObbleeXY]

I am learning a lot by watching this battle.

Such as?

I watch poker streams for entertainment. If I want to learn, I read/study, go over hand history, run through tests/quizzes and practice.

But watching the pros, I learn very little that I would apply to the low stakes games I play.

What sort of things are you learning by watching two pros from different decades play heads up?

Cheers,
ObbleeXY

 

[Joe]

At first, I thought, "This dude wants us to google for him?!"...

And then I spent some time down the rabbit hole googling for you...and have realised there simply isn't a published schedule.

Seems they are agreeing their next matches on a day by day basis.

With that in mind, I think the best bet is to follow them on Twitter and keep looking now and again. DNegs made a bit of a comeback yesterday...but Polk still seems to be the stronger player heads up (unsurprisingly).

Yesterday, some bookies were offering 13-1 odds. I am not into that sort of betting, but those are some pretty good odds.

Any opinions on what is going wrong for DNegs?

My only observatinos....KidPoker seems to check a LOT of turn bets. Rare for him to bet here. Also check shoves some top pairs, getting cracked by Polk's two pair.

Then again...who the **** am I to critique these two?! (but I still will!)

Cheers,
ObbleeXY

I certainly don't expect anyone to Google for me! :laugh:

Just vaguely remember someone mentioing in this thread that the next session was on Friday (today) and was hoping someone already knew what time it was kicking off..

I'd scanned the thread to try and see that post but didn't spot it..

Ok, ok, you got me! I'm in lazy mode! :laugh:

Haven't been able to see much of the play but from all the reports I've read so far Polk is pretty much just getting the run of the cards and catching whatever he needs at the right time..

Long way to go yet!

DNegs! :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:

 

[capujoss]

I agree with you, that I learn most from reading and studying. But when watching pro's battle, I actually see in practice what I have been studying. It helps me seeing the theories being executed on the board.

 

[monkey23]

i heard the rake is $2.50 a hand....thats thats like $62500 if they play all 25000 hands....$30000 each...but hey ho...more rake is better i guess

so daniel will get spanked by both doug AND the rake...poetic.

keep on truckin.

 

[Joe]

i heard the rake is $2.50 a hand....thats thats like $62500 if they play all 25000 hands....$30000 each...but hey ho...more rake is better i guess

so daniel will get spanked by both doug AND the rake...poetic.

keep on truckin.

Usually the rake depends on the size of the pot... :hmmmm2:

 

[John A]

i heard the rake is $2.50 a hand....thats thats like $62500 if they play all 25000 hands....$30000 each...but hey ho...more rake is better i guess

so daniel will get spanked by both doug AND the rake...poetic.

keep on truckin.

There's no rake for these games. Even if there was, rake only gets counted when you see a flop so your math is off.

 

[monkey23]

There's no rake for these games. Even if there was, rake only gets counted when you see a flop so your math is off.

its just what i heard online....and we all know what that's worth

it might be wrong...sure...

if i was to play 25k hands high stakes hup...lol...would never happen...i would certainly try to negotiate a 'block' rake with the room.
if they have negotiated no rake...wow...good work fellas.

 

[John A]

its just what i heard online....and we all know what that's worth

it might be wrong...sure...

if i was to play 25k hands high stakes hup...lol...would never happen...i would certainly try to negotiate a 'block' rake with the room.
if they have negotiated no rake...wow...good work fellas.

I'm 100% sure I'm correct. This is not uncommon for high profile players. They are giving away a lot of free advertising to the site.

 

[hubcio96]

it feels like I'm watching Twilight series, are you "Team DNegs", or "Team Doug.". I'm definitely team DNegs. I tried to learn poker from Doug, but his concepts and explanations are to advance to me. Daniels courses 9Master class) is a very "user friendly", and even watching him streaming the GG wsop from mexico, I learned not only how to read the board, but how to rationalize your calls and losses. I would tilt so quickly losing pot, but for me, I learned more from Daniel that I will ever learn from Doug.

 

[dartwind]

I'm 100% sure I'm correct. This is not uncommon for high profile players. They are giving away a lot of free advertising to the site.

You are correct, the rake is taken out as they play and then returned to the players later.

The match is close after yesterdays game...game on!

 

[jsnake716]

After the 11-13 session it is almost even , Doug did not even come onto the stream at the end. LOL - I still have confidence in Doug, but this is what Doug tried to explain the other day.

He said Daniel is playing OK, he is not just punting off stacks , so Doug was actually giving a compliment and he said because of this, it is pretty common to see swings of a couple buy-ins back and forth. I really think Doug thought Dnegs was just going to show up without putting in work, apparently Dnegs hired some of the current best in the format and he worked on his game. No matter what the result, this is "high praise" coming from Doug when talking about Dnegs.

 

[lusquinha2020]

i think negreanu will win

 

[AmidamaruRu]

He has no chance against Polk, it's a matter of time, for 12.5 thousand hands I think he will lose about 1 million

 

[Joe]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

So turns out there was a session yesterday!

I'd thought there was...

Shame I couldn't distinguish the start time, sounds like it was a good one! :biggrin:

Some of the naivety doesn't half make me chuckle, I must say...

Anyyyyyyyway... Slightly more pressing concerns.

Adieu.

 

[Shells]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

So turns out there was a session yesterday!

I'd thought there was...

Shame I couldn't distinguish the start time, sounds like it was a good one! :biggrin:

Some of the naivety doesn't half make me chuckle, I must say...

Anyyyyyyyway... Slightly more pressing concerns.

Adieu.

If you think of it, you can check Daniel and/or Doug's Twitter account - they usually tell us when they are playing next.

 

[Joe]

If you think of it, you can check Daniel and/or Doug's Twitter account - they usually tell us when they are playing next.

Never got into Twitter, seems like I might be forced to at some stage soon but am going to evade it as long possible! :biggrin: :wink:

:call2::call:

~EDiT:- Thank you tho, great idea!

 

[John A]

After the 11-13 session it is almost even , Doug did not even come onto the stream at the end. LOL - I still have confidence in Doug, but this is what Doug tried to explain the other day.

He said Daniel is playing OK, he is not just punting off stacks , so Doug was actually giving a compliment and he said because of this, it is pretty common to see swings of a couple buy-ins back and forth. I really think Doug thought Dnegs was just going to show up without putting in work, apparently Dnegs hired some of the current best in the format and he worked on his game. No matter what the result, this is "high praise" coming from Doug when talking about Dnegs.

I almost put money on daniel, and probably should have honestly. Having played against Daniel a couple of times and had some random convo's with him, he's an extremely bright guy, and he wants to be the best at what he does. Those two things usually equal success. I've never played against Doug.

The younger generation of poker players idolize Doug, and for whatever reason just thought he would chop Daniel up. There's this false notion I've been seeing that solver work will just make you the best player ever, and it's just not that simple. There's a lot that goes into this game, and one big area that Daniel can exploit Doug in, and the little bit I've seen of this match Daniel has already done this, is Doug's ego. Doug doesn't full on tilt, but he makes less than optimal decisions when he starts to run bad. Doug snap called a hand for a full buy-in yesterday he should have folded, and it appeared the whole way he was beaten. It was clearly the result of frustration.

It's going to be closer than these kids thought it was going to be, and I wouldn't be shocked if Daniel won. I mean, Daniel agreed to Doug's only main game and format. This whole setup is Doug's wheelhouse. If this was live, Doug probably for sure loses, he has way too many tells and he gets bored. If this was mixed games, Doug would get destroyed. So props to Daniel no matter what happens, he's the one that went out a limb to make this match happen, not Doug... let's not forget that. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[Rob Hobson]

I almost put money on daniel, and probably should have honestly. Having played against Daniel a couple of times and had some random convo's with him, he's an extremely bright guy, and he wants to be the best at what he does. Those two things usually equal success. I've never played against Doug.

The younger generation of poker players idolize Doug, and for whatever reason just thought he would chop Daniel up. There's this false notion I've been seeing that solver work will just make you the best player ever, and it's just not that simple. There's a lot that goes into this game, and one big area that Daniel can exploit Doug in, and the little bit I've seen of this match Daniel has already done this, is Doug's ego. Doug doesn't full on tilt, but he makes less than optimal decisions when he starts to run bad. Doug snap called a hand for a full buy-in yesterday he should have folded, and it appeared the whole way he was beaten. It was clearly the result of frustration.

It's going to be closer than these kids thought it was going to be, and I wouldn't be shocked if Daniel won. I mean, Daniel agreed to Doug's only main game and format. This whole setup is Doug's wheelhouse. If this was live, Doug probably for sure loses, he has way too many tells and he gets bored. If this was mixed games, Doug would get destroyed. So props to Daniel no matter what happens, he's the one that went out a limb to make this match happen, not Doug... let's not forget that. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

I agree.

 

[Joe]

I almost put money on daniel, and probably should have honestly. Having played against Daniel a couple of times and had some random convo's with him, he's an extremely bright guy, and he wants to be the best at what he does. Those two things usually equal success. I've never played against Doug.

The younger generation of poker players idolize Doug, and for whatever reason just thought he would chop Daniel up. There's this false notion I've been seeing that solver work will just make you the best player ever, and it's just not that simple. There's a lot that goes into this game, and one big area that Daniel can exploit Doug in, and the little bit I've seen of this match Daniel has already done this, is Doug's ego. Doug doesn't full on tilt, but he makes less than optimal decisions when he starts to run bad. Doug snap called a hand for a full buy-in yesterday he should have folded, and it appeared the whole way he was beaten. It was clearly the result of frustration.

It's going to be closer than these kids thought it was going to be, and I wouldn't be shocked if Daniel won. I mean, Daniel agreed to Doug's only main game and format. This whole setup is Doug's wheelhouse. If this was live, Doug probably for sure loses, he has way too many tells and he gets bored. If this was mixed games, Doug would get destroyed. So props to Daniel no matter what happens, he's the one that went out a limb to make this match happen, not Doug... let's not forget that. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

This. ^

Great to see DNegs smashing it outta the park yesterday!

Can't say I'm surprised, he's just getting warmed up. :biggrin:

 

[dartwind]

If you think of it, you can check Daniel and/or Doug's Twitter account - they usually tell us when they are playing next.

They are playing a two table online game every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at 2:30pm pacific time. Unless they decide to change it.

 

[dominisantus]

Doug is good, Doug is very good, but Daniel is an old-school fighter, and I think he will be able to adjust to the atmosphere that is not the most familiar to him, and will show high-class poker. I would not think of something, I support DNegs.

 

[Poker Orifice]

This. ^

Great to see DNegs smashing it outta the park yesterday!

Can't say I'm surprised, he's just getting warmed up. :biggrin:

Did you watch it?

Care to place a wager?

 

[Joe]

Did you watch it?

Care to place a wager?

Would have liked to watch it. Only read reports.

Whether or not I'd be willing to place a wager would mostly depend on the terms, odds and who the bet was with.

If that answers your question...

The satisfaction I'll derive from DNegs winning will suffice just fine. I don't feel the need to profit monetarily as well.

Considering how ineffectual his opponent has been at utilizing his supposed advantages, the purported odds of 1/13 available before the challenge started would have been well worth a punt... :biggrin:

 

[Pokerpoet2]

If I was a gambling man my money would be on Daniel to win he was way more experience in the Hold-em game. As for Polk I think he is a little too loud mouth and can not back up his claims, sure he has made money from the game put still not half as much as Daniel.
I wish they could have played it all live rather than on-line but they probably would have played until next Summer in a live game, 25,000 hands is a big deal.

When the Fun Stops, STOP!

 

[Shells]

Updates from the latest session.

Polk, Negreanu Sixth Session a Back and Forth Battle, Overall Match Close