What do you think about ACR’s reshuffle feature?

[my_world_myway9]

I’m not sure if you noticed a new feature for ACR’s omaha tourneys called “reshuffle”? They were testing it on the Pot limit Omaha and now Omaha H/L.
What do you think about it? Its supposedly going to stop colluding or cheating. Personally, I dont like it for a couple reasons. First of all it really slows down the game because the cards get dealt but revealed one player at a time, if you fold your cards are reshuffled into the deck of the current hand in play. You will not see your cards after you fold them, you used to be able to see the cards you folded which I liked to see to know if i made the right decision. No more rabbit either to see what the flop would have been. I also liked that feature to help me with if im playing to tight or not. One thing that It has changed are the odds, outs, it adds cards to the deck. What do I mean by that? Well, the cards you fold are immediately shuffled back into the deck and the player who acts after you can end up with 1 or more of your cards or they can end up on the board. I have folded K 10 6 6 3 and the flop was 10 10 6 and show down had 2 players turned over P1] 6 6 A K , P2] A 6 10 9, obviously my cards ended up in the flop or these 2 players hands. this has happened a few times now. It changes some key aspects of poker.

Am I missing something? I do not see how it will stop the colluding or cheating, is it worth what is given up? I think it is some hairbrained idea they came up with to make it seem like they are doing something for the obvious cheating that is happening online. IDK, what do you think?

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[eetenor]

It is actually a very good feature for stopping collusion. Colluders have a huge advantage in PLO when they know 8 of the cards dealt. Yes the hands are slower but fewer hands is better than losing to cheating. ACR uses a constant shuffler so even if you were able to rabbit hunt your hands post fold, it does not mean that those cards would be the flop. If you were to call instead of fold it would change when the shuffler spits out cards on the flop.

Hope this helps

 

[millya5]

Nothing important! Everything changes.

 

[fundiver199]

I think, this is a fine idea. It only really matter to colluders including potential “bot rings”. For non cheaters the difference is miniscule and equal for everyone.

 

[Sherlock77]

I play both, but I prefer the non-reshuffle tables.
Yes, the freerolls have been changed for a few weeks now, in addition to the reshuffle for the pot limit omaha tournaments; there's now only a 15 minute late registration instead of 30.

 

[my_world_myway9]

I think, this is a fine idea. It only really matter to colluders including potential “bot rings”. For non cheaters the difference is miniscule and equal for everyone.

What about it deals out 5 of 8's or 5 of any card? It changes the odds of a hand. Colluding can still happen. I think it is changing important dynamics to the game with no indications of stopping the cheaters. Of course thats your opinion and I asked but you haven't convinced me. It certainly effected me and not in a good way. I do appreciate your input!!

 

[my_world_myway9]

I play both, but I prefer the non-reshuffle tables.
Yes, the freerolls have been changed for a few weeks now, in addition to the reshuffle for the pot limit omaha tournaments; there's now only a 15 minute late registration instead of 30.

Right, they changed the late registration. I dont mind that change but it would be nice if they mentioned it because I missed a few tourneys get there to late. I thought something was wrong with my computer. Lol

 

[my_world_myway9]

Nothing important! Everything changes.

Nothing important? Lol, ok but I disagree with you...

 

[fundiver199]

What about it deals out 5 of 8's or 5 of any card?

If some of them were folded, why is this important? When we calculate the odds of for instance completing a draw, we assume, that each unseen card has an equal chance of being dealt on turn and river. And with reshuffling it actually does.

It changes the odds of a hand.

Only if you know the folded cards, which mean you are cheating.

 

[pltelles]

I also find this way of playing quite strange, I hope it works, we'll have to adapt.

 

[Sherlock77]

Right, they changed the late registration. I dont mind that change but it would be nice if they mentioned it because I missed a few tourneys get there to late. I thought something was wrong with my computer. Lol

Exactly, no communication was made about this.
I also missed a few tournaments the first few days
I was used to the 30 minutes late registration

 

[skaterick]

It is actually a very good feature for stopping collusion. Colluders have a huge advantage in PLO when they know 8 of the cards dealt. Yes the hands are slower but fewer hands is better than losing to cheating. ACR uses a constant shuffler so even if you were able to rabbit hunt your hands post fold, it does not mean that those cards would be the flop. If you were to call instead of fold it would change when the shuffler spits out cards on the flop.

Hope this helps

i guess that means a tenth of a second pause in thinking can change the flop ,turn or river . its driving me nuts from a philosophical perspective !

 

[pltelles]

Message from ACR:

"A New Era of Fair Play
Our ACR Poker Reshuffle is an exciting innovation designed to level the playing field for all poker players. We’ve adopted this feature so far for PLO 4 (NEW as of December 2023!) and PLO 5 games, marking an important milestone in our commitment to fair and challenging play.

Feature Functionality
The Reshuffle feature comes into play when a player folds. Their cards are swiftly reshuffled back into the deck.

This means that the next player only gets to see their hole cards when their turn arrives. Please note that due to the workings of this feature, pre-action buttons (e.g., “fold”, “call”, “raise”) will be disabled for games using the ACR Poker Reshuffle feature.

Optically, it will appear as if all players have been dealt their cards simultaneously just like all other games, but in fact players will be dealt their cards one player at a time starting with UTG +1. The next player will be dealt his cards only after the first player has made a preflop decision.


Pictured above: How the ACR Reshuffle is displayed on the back of the cards.

Visibility
To find tables offering the ACR Poker Reshuffle feature, all players must look for the unique lock symbol. This indicator will also be visible on the game listings within the ACR poker client, signaling the presence of this pioneering anti-collusion system.


Pictured above: How the ACR Reshuffle is displayed in the lobby.

Reason for Implementation
The unfair practice of players sharing their folded cards via direct or third-party messaging can skew the nature of the game. To stamp out this form of cheating, we’ve developed the Reshuffle feature. It effectively makes cheating impossible by delaying the reveal of a player’s hole cards and reshuffling folded cards back into the deck.


Exampled above: As you can see by the clip above, the player was dealt the King of diamonds preflop, and then that card appeared later in the hand on the flop. This is because all cards are automatically reshuffled in the deck after the player folds preflop.

Main Points
Enhanced Security: The ACR Poker Reshuffle is the latest addition to our lineup of security enhancements.
Collaborative Effort: The inception of this feature marks a successful collaboration between ACR Poker and GTO Wizard, the leading poker training software.
Continuous Improvement: ACR Poker is dedicated to promoting a safe and fair gaming environment. The success of the Reshuffle feature in our PLO 4 and PLO 5 games paves the way for future implementation in other games.
Conclusion
The ACR Poker Reshuffle isn’t just a feature — it embodies our commitment to the integrity and spirit of fair play. By embracing collaborative endeavors and keeping an eye on future innovations, we continue to ensure a safe, enjoyable, and competitive gaming experience for all our players.

Join us for a game of PLO 4 and PLO 5 and experience the watershed moment in the evolution of online poker — the ACR Poker Reshuffle!"

 

[my_world_myway9]

i guess that means a tenth of a second pause in thinking can change the flop ,turn or river . its driving me nuts from a philosophical perspective !

Are you being sarcastic? I cant tell from a personal perspective!!

 

[Sunz of Beaches]

Exactly, no communication was made about this.
I also missed a few tournaments the first few days
I was used to the 30 minutes late registration

Yeah its a scandal they didnt send out mass emails to make everyone aware of the change of public freeroll late reg.

 

[my_world_myway9]

If some of them were folded, why is this important? When we calculate the odds of for instance completing a draw, we assume, that each unseen card has an equal chance of being dealt on turn and river. And with reshuffling it actually does.

Only if you know the folded cards, which mean you are cheating.

what do you mean? I know what my cards were that I folded, how does that make me a cheater? My folded cards are shuffled back into the deck and could end up in to any of the remaining players hands or on the flop. That changes the cards that are dead and puts them back in play. I think I am missing something? My folded cards ended on the flop or one of the remaining players that didn’t fold. I folded A, 6,6,9 flop was 3, 6, 6, ? ? {player 2} had 6, 6, 9, k { player 3 } had 9, 6, A ,10 there were 5 sixes. How is that possible?

 

[monkeytilter]

I think it is a good idea to reduce the effect of card sharing collision, I'd be happy to see it in all games.

No need to get all up tight about cards being 'reshuffled back into the deck', just think of it as not being dealt your cards until it is your turn to act and if you fold you never were never dealt a hand. There is no actual effect on card distribution or calculating odds (we calculate based on unseen cards and that is the same whether those cards are in villain's hand or are present in or 'returned to' the deck).

I think they should allow more time to act preflop as this approach has reduced preflop thinking time.

As to slowing the game down. Is that such a terrible thing?.Are we such action junkies now that an extra 30 seconds on a hand is such a big deal? Open 8 tables if you want to be making a decision every 10 seconds😄

 

[fundiver199]

I think they should allow more time to act preflop as this approach has reduced preflop thinking time.

They could also deal all hold cards at once and only reshuffle, when preflop is over. This would not completely eliminate the advantage of card sharing, but still reduce it significantly.

 

[miklcct]

If some of them were folded, why is this important? When we calculate the odds of for instance completing a draw, we assume, that each unseen card has an equal chance of being dealt on turn and river. And with reshuffling it actually does.

Only if you know the folded cards, which mean you are cheating.

It changes the odds because it is less likely to fold high cards than low cards. In a normal game, if you know that most people fold, the deck is likely to contain more high cards than low cards, but if most people call and raise, you can expect more low cards to match your 4567 hole cards.

 

[my_world_myway9]

Yeah its a scandal they didnt send out mass emails to make everyone aware of the change of public freeroll late reg.

No one said it was a scandal and it's not just the freerolls, it's all 4 and 5 card potlimit Omaha and Omaha 08!

 

[RENEY444]

It changes the odds because it is less likely to fold high cards than low cards. In a normal game, if you know that most people fold, the deck is likely to contain more high cards than low cards, but if most people call and raise, you can expect more low cards to match your 4567 hole cards.

Good point miklcct . You are one sharp cookie !

 

[RENEY444]

I dont mind waiting to see your starting cards in PLO . It allows a bit more time if you are multi tabling .

 

[Poker Orifice]

what do you mean? I know what my cards were that I folded, how does that make me a cheater? My folded cards are shuffled back into the deck and could end up in to any of the remaining players hands or on the flop. That changes the cards that are dead and puts them back in play. I think I am missing something? My folded cards ended on the flop or one of the remaining players that didn’t fold. I folded A, 6,6,9 flop was 3, 6, 6, ? ? {player 2} had 6, 6, 9, k { player 3 } had 9, 6, A ,10 there were 5 sixes. How is that possible?

Yes, you are definitely missing something.

 

[lyki67]

I don't like this feature. If some card are dealt to players and folded they are OUT of that hand. I can't follow right 5 cards (flop, turn and river) because some folded cards would be dealt for second time in that same hand. No, no.... Cards folded are OUT. That is right game...no mather if Omaha or HoldEm or any other game.