$2 NL HE 6-max: Facing a Overbet shove with a rivered Flush

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pokerstars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
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UTG: $1.45 (73 bb)
MP: $3.62 (181 bb)
CO: $2.38 (119 bb)
BU: $2.00 (100 bb)
SB (Hero): $2.00 (100 bb)
BB: $3.77 (189 bb)


Pre-Flop:
($0.03) Hero is SB with 8 5
UTG calls $0.02, 3 players fold, Hero calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.06) A T 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($0.06) Q (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks

River: ($0.06) 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.03, BB raises to $3.75 (all-in), UTG folds, Hero calls $1.95 (all-in)

Opinions? Probably a bad river call in the long run but couldn't help myelf.
 
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The first 3 streets are all played fine. On the river you face an absurd overbet of 16 times the site of the pot. And yeah I think, an 8 high flush is a fold. Because he got to see a free flop, he can have a lot of bad suited hands including high-low hands such as K2s or Q3s, so there are quite a few combos, you lose to. And its just not worth it to risk an entire stack hoping to catch him bluffing, when you are only in for 2,5BB so far. There is an old saying "dont go broke in a limped pot", which I think apply here.
 
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The bet its just massive so you beat sets, 2 pairs probably a straight (kJ) and a bluff, there are no pairs so no full house your only worry bigger flush ♦ (k, j, 10, 9 ) its not that bad if you played like 100 hands its against a loose/aggressive player. (Probably a fold for me, the value puts to much pressure)
 
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The first 3 streets are all played fine. On the river you face an absurd overbet of 16 times the site of the pot. And yeah I think, an 8 high flush is a fold. Because he got to see a free flop, he can have a lot of bad suited hands including high-low hands such as K2s or Q3s, so there are quite a few combos, you lose to. And its just not worth it to risk an entire stack hoping to catch him bluffing, when you are only in for 2,5BB so far. There is an old saying "dont go broke in a limped pot", which I think apply here.
I snap called him basically ready to see a higher flush and he had the one flush that was lower with 72s, lol. U can see the result in the replayer if u not already did.
 
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The bet its just massive so you beat sets, 2 pairs probably a straight (kJ) and a bluff, there are no pairs so no full house your only worry bigger flush ♦ (k, j, 10, 9 ) its not that bad if you played like 100 hands its against a loose/aggressive player. (Probably a fold for me, the value puts to much pressure)
The thing is that this large overbet is basically only a flush or a bluff. And who bluffs like that on NL2 with almost no money in the pot?
 
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I snap called him basically ready to see a higher flush and he had the one flush that was lower with 72s, lol.
That still does not make the call long term profitable though, since there are far more combos of better flushes than worst flushes. Its also a ridiculous overplay by him, but hey its 2NL, so stuff like this happen :)
 
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That still does not make the call long term profitable though, since there are far more combos of better flushes than worst flushes. Its also a ridiculous overplay by him, but hey its 2NL, so stuff like this happen :)
Yes definitely and if we played higher i would seriously think about folding it since i highly doubt someone would just jam a small flush like that. I was on the phone and my finger very near the call Button 😅
 
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Why would villain EVER size their bet like this? After nobody showing any strength at all. I'd think a pot-sized bet would be ambitious.
I might also look them up... just because... because I'd be curious to know just 'wtf?' lol
So villain obviously not thinking about your hand... or what hands could even possibly call this bet that he actually beats. (none obviously).
I hope you got a note on him. If no time for a note, at least a 'brown tag' to let you know about his poopy-style of play.
 
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Why would villain EVER size their bet like this? After nobody showing any strength at all. I'd think a pot-sized bet would be ambitious.
I might also look them up... just because... because I'd be curious to know just 'wtf?' lol
So villain obviously not thinking about your hand... or what hands could even possibly call this bet that he actually beats. (none obviously).
I hope you got a note on him. If no time for a note, at least a 'brown tag' to let you know about his poopy-style of play.

I think i didnt make a note. Was on the phone if i remember correctly and for the power path ticket i usually only play a few hands. There are only color tags possible on mobile which i dont see later on pc and vice versa.

They should implement the note system from winning and chico network everywhere. Notes and tags get saved on the server and are available on all devices for infinite time. I sometimes see old tags on ACR (while playing on mobile) that i gave CC'ers years ago on PC lol.
 
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PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
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UTG: $1.45 (73 bb)
MP: $3.62 (181 bb)
CO: $2.38 (119 bb)
BU: $2.00 (100 bb)
SB (Hero): $2.00 (100 bb)
BB: $3.77 (189 bb)


Pre-Flop:
($0.03) Hero is SB with 8 5
UTG calls $0.02, 3 players fold, Hero calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.06) A T 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($0.06) Q (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks

River: ($0.06) 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.03, BB raises to $3.75 (all-in), UTG folds, Hero calls $1.95 (all-in)

Opinions? Probably a bad river call in the long run but couldn't help myelf.
First tip if we know it is a bad call learn to not make it. I could not help myself suggests an emotional response and that is a form of TILT.
Book "The Mental Gamer of Poker" get it -read it -practice the skills.

To help with tilt we need to learn to make good river decisions. We use the post flop skill of range refining to do this.

We take a hand like this when we study, and we build a data base thus giving us in game skills of range refining. which means we change the V range on each street vs each action.

Preflop V limps EP take the time to build their limp range--Equilab is great for that and it is free. We can only estimate ranges at this point BTN flats what hands do they not flat? that is the range build we want for them.

Flop AT5dss no action yet

BB and EP have no AA -TT? 55 maybe but fewer combos we block those.

all check

BB check tells us nothing.

This is where we refine EP range based on this action. What would we expect EP to bet? When they do not bet, we know most often they do not have that hand in their range.

T--AT5Qdssd no action yet

is QQ in our V ranges? What about AQ? BB might have AQ vs this V type they may not raise preflop or bet flop- so of the 2 villains we are aware that BB can now have 2 pair but EP much less likely--never say never at this stake level.

Both V now can have a Qx hand and both can have flush draws ss or dd in fact BB can have all the hands that make flush draws except perhaps AKs

all check.

When all check we can assume that our V have more draws than made hands. Why would they not bet a pair on this turn? why not bet a straight?
So no pairs no straights most often not never but most often.

R AT5Q6dssdd

So here we are on the river what hands do we expect our V to have using the above range refinements?
* Lots of nothing- pairs of Tx -5x or 6x not A6 or A5 maybe 56 but we block the 5 maybe Q6
and FLUSHES

we lead which is good. does this sizing get a crying call from 5 or6 x or even Tx? Or do all of those hands have an easy fold on this river. it is 3c so maybe it is fine.

BB who has the most preflop flush cards jams when we lead into 2 players--Why bluff for 9c?

Other than a flush what hand when called is expecting to get value from worse? what slow played turn and jams river?

We refined a range * above looking at the range what wants to jam the river when we lead? FLUSHES!!!

What flushes that we beat want to jam into a lead that is a flush most often? How big of a flush could we lead on river? What is our range of nut flushes?
does 9x flush want to jam?
Does the nut hand want to jam? Second nuts? third nuts?
Why would this be a value jam? Why would value not just raise?

this is how we range refine--

Just saw the results---lol 72dd they are either maniac or genius.


Nice win



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First tip if we know it is a bad call learn to not make it. I could not help myself suggests an emotional response and that is a form of TILT.
Book "The Mental Gamer of Poker" get it -read it -practice the skills.

To help with tilt we need to learn to make good river decisions. We use the post flop skill of range refining to do this.

We take a hand like this when we study, and we build a data base thus giving us in game skills of range refining. which means we change the V range on each street vs each action.

Preflop V limps EP take the time to build their limp range--Equilab is great for that and it is free. We can only estimate ranges at this point BTN flats what hands do they not flat? that is the range build we want for them.

Flop AT5dss no action yet

BB and EP have no AA -TT? 55 maybe but fewer combos we block those.

all check

BB check tells us nothing.

This is where we refine EP range based on this action. What would we expect EP to bet? When they do not bet, we know most often they do not have that hand in their range.

T--AT5Qdssd no action yet

is QQ in our V ranges? What about AQ? BB might have AQ vs this V type they may not raise preflop or bet flop- so of the 2 villains we are aware that BB can now have 2 pair but EP much less likely--never say never at this stake level.

Both V now can have a Qx hand and both can have flush draws ss or dd in fact BB can have all the hands that make flush draws except perhaps AKs

all check.

When all check we can assume that our V have more draws than made hands. Why would they not bet a pair on this turn? why not bet a straight?
So no pairs no straights most often not never but most often.

R AT5Q6dssdd

So here we are on the river what hands do we expect our V to have using the above range refinements?
* Lots of nothing- pairs of Tx -5x or 6x not A6 or A5 maybe 56 but we block the 5 maybe Q6
and FLUSHES

we lead which is good. does this sizing get a crying call from 5 or6 x or even Tx? Or do all of those hands have an easy fold on this river. it is 3c so maybe it is fine.

BB who has the most preflop flush cards jams when we lead into 2 players--Why bluff for 9c?

Other than a flush what hand when called is expecting to get value from worse? what slow played turn and jams river?

We refined a range * above looking at the range what wants to jam the river when we lead? FLUSHES!!!

What flushes that we beat want to jam into a lead that is a flush most often? How big of a flush could we lead on river? What is our range of nut flushes?
does 9x flush want to jam?
Does the nut hand want to jam? Second nuts? third nuts?
Why would this be a value jam? Why would value not just raise?

this is how we range refine--

Just saw the results---lol 72dd they are either maniac or genius.


Nice win



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Villain was in the BB, so he did not limp pre. Do u mean UTG? There is also no EP limp. Only UTG, SB and BB are in the hand 👍

But thanks, appreciate the input. I would describe villain as neither maniac nor genius. Just a massive overplay by him while not thinking about opponents cards.
 
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At 2nl without knowing villain is good, I am calling.

At bottom micro levels I have seen people do all kinds of crazy sith. Giving them too much cred is a mistake.
 
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