$2 NLHE Full Ring: trapping is bad in cash games, doesn't maximise value?

F4STFORW4RD · Nov 19, 2011

SB: 348 hands on this villain, Afq of 20%, seems a fairly straightforward player, not quite a TAG or a LAG but positionally aware etc.

Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (8 players)
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SB: $2.01
BB Hero: $1.97
UTG: $2
UTG+1: $1.54
MP: $2
MP+1: $1.46
CO: $5.82
BTN: $2

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB and dealt

4 folds, CO raises to $0.06, BTN folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.04

Anyway, I suppose that you guys are going to tell me off for not raising here...

WVHillbilly · Nov 19, 2011

Always start with 100bb.

F4STFORW4RD · Nov 19, 2011

WVHillbilly said:
Always start with 100bb.

So I should have topped up by 3c?

WVHillbilly · Nov 19, 2011

Yep. Auto top-up.

bgomez89 · Nov 20, 2011

Stats? Oh yeah I concur with WVH

F4STFORW4RD · Nov 20, 2011

bgomez89 said:
Stats?

Not sure why the stats I am inputting aren't appearing, maybe it's because I stopped using AF in my HUD now so I am only putting VP and PFR into the boxes.

Villain is 13/8.

bgomez89 · Nov 20, 2011

what about stats for the sb? Fwiw the CO would be classified as a nit

F4STFORW4RD · Nov 20, 2011

bgomez89 said:
what about stats for the sb? Fwiw the CO would be classified as a nit

CO is 11/4 from 24 hands, 3bet of 0.9% - they folded anyway, although you don't know that yet. SB is 13/8. The colour coding system that I am using at the moment, which can of course be changed, is this:

10% VP or less = nit.
VP/PFR within 2% = TAG/LAG.
VP over 25% = exploitable.
Anything else = bad reg.

The ones I look for are the exploitables. Don't really want nits or TAG/LAG to my immediate right.

bgomez89 · Nov 20, 2011

I like the flat then preflop.

Idk about your system. I don't play FR so mine would be a little different. Bad regs are anyone that has a reasonable vpip but then a VERY low pfr. For example a 15/2.

People who have a high vpip and high pfr but are close together are what I call bullies. They know what they're doing but they're wild(ex. 35/32)

ChuckTs · Nov 20, 2011

24 hands doesn't mean dick. 3bet for value always.

Nathan Williams · Nov 20, 2011

I would make it like 28c here normally.

F4STFORW4RD · Nov 20, 2011

ChuckTs said:
24 hands doesn't mean dick.

That's why I mentioned it, and why I didn't give the stats in the OP.

3bet for value always.

OK thanks.

Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (8 players)
Poker Stars Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $2.01
BB Hero: $1.97
UTG: $2
UTG+1: $1.54
MP: $2
MP+1: $1.46
CO: $5.82
BTN: $2

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB and dealt

4 folds, CO raises to $0.06, BTN folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.18)

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $0.10, SB raises to $0.20

So I suppose that I should be shoving here?

KerouacsDog · Nov 20, 2011

F4STFORW4RD said:
That's why I mentioned it, and why I didn't give the stats in the OP.OK thanks.

Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (8 players)
Poker Stars Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $2.01
BB Hero: $1.97
UTG: $2
UTG+1: $1.54
MP: $2
MP+1: $1.46
CO: $5.82
BTN: $2

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB and dealt
4 folds, CO raises to $0.06, BTN folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.18) (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $0.10, SB raises to $0.20

So I suppose that I should be shoving here?

and scaring off weaker hands? Im never shoving here.

F4STFORW4RD · Nov 24, 2011

bgomez89 said:
People who have a high vpip and high pfr but are close together are what I call bullies. They know what they're doing but they're wild(ex. 35/32)

I've encountered very few of them at 2nl, but a lot more at 5nl.

Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (8 players)
Poker Stars Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $2.01
BB Hero: $1.97
UTG: $2
UTG+1: $1.54
MP: $2
MP+1: $1.46
CO: $5.82
BTN: $2

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB and dealt

4 folds, CO raises to $0.06, BTN folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.18)

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $0.10, SB raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, CO folds

Turn: ($0.68)

(2 players)
SB checks

I didn't shove there - but probably should have shoved here?

ChuckTs · Nov 24, 2011

We have like 1.70 effective with a .68c pot. Shoving is losing way too much value. Ax or better stacks regardless and we want value from draws/Jx/Kx, so milk it more.

Something like 55c on turn, shove river.

F4STFORW4RD · Nov 24, 2011

ChuckTs said:
We have like 1.70 effective with a .68c pot. Shoving is losing way too much value. Ax or better stacks regardless and we want value from draws/Jx/Kx, so milk it more.

Something like 55c on turn, shove river.

OK thanks. Here's what I did from start to finish.

Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (8 players)
Poker Stars Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $2.01
BB Hero: $1.97
UTG: $2
UTG+1: $1.54
MP: $2
MP+1: $1.46
CO: $5.82
BTN: $2

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB and dealt

4 folds, CO raises to $0.06, BTN folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.18)

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $0.10, SB raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, CO folds

Turn: ($0.68)

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.68)

(2 players)
SB bets $0.65, Hero raises to $1.30, SB raises to $1.75 (All-in), Hero calls $0.41 (All-in), SB returned $0.04

Final Pot: $4.10

Showdown:
SB shows

(a full house, jacks full of aces)

Hero shows

(a full house, aces full of kings)

Outcome: Hero wins $3.90

JOEBOB69 · Nov 24, 2011

You need to bet the turn.You checked behind on the turn with a hand you clearly want to get stacks in with.So now going to the river you have $1.71 with a pot of .68.So even if villain will c\c here with Kx there is no why to get stacks in on the river with out a turn bet.Also you need to get paid from the draws that call turn and give up on the river.Lets say you bet .55 like Chuck said it makes the pot $1.78 with your stack of $1.16 and gets stacks in on the river and calls by mid pair etc. and makes money on mis draws that called turn.

F4STFORW4RD · Nov 24, 2011

So overall I made a right mess of this hand

Thanks for the help, guys

KerouacsDog · Nov 25, 2011

yeah bet turn. draws and weak aces etc are gonna call.

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