Anyone playing NLHE cash with 40bb?

Hi guys, are there any 40bb poker fans here?
I didn't find a thread so I'm starting this one.

Lol naw, pretty sure most people will give hate for this too.

40bb is what to buy in with if you want to keep a good brm i think.

That's right. And if you want to play more tables.

tothbopo said:

40bb is what to buy in with if you want to keep a good brm i think.

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NO!

btc87 said:

That's right. And if you want to play more tables.

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NO!


40bb play is a particular strategy. If it has to do with your BRM, then you should play lower stakes with full stacks.

Short stackers are scum.

Did you have any other questions?

I've been doing it.

For 4 months I have been having the worst run of my online experience. I am down to 5 full buy ins even at 4NL, the lowest level. So I basically gotta shortstack.

It's good in that you can shove preflop quite wide and either push aggro players off the hand or go to showdown in good shape.

WVHillbilly said:

Short stackers are scum.

Did you have any other questions?

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+1. Thank you for saying it.

blueskies said:

I've been doing it.

For 4 months I have been having the worst run of my online experience. I am down to 5 full buy ins even at 4NL, the lowest level. So I basically gotta shortstack.

It's good in that you can shove preflop quite wide and either push aggro players off the hand or go to showdown in good shape.

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-1mil. See above.

Yes, I have more questions - can all the haters just try to hold their grudge and avoid this topic please?
Blueskies, did you recover from that run?

I'm trying to help you. Playing SS at micro stakes is dumb. Very dumb. It's NOT a valid way to "protect your bankroll". It's only costing you money.

i don't think there's any benefits in playing with 40bb, can only see negatives. In terms of counting how many buy ins you have for a level, you would base that on 100bb x (buy ins you want) and not 40bb x etc..

ideally if you are a decent player and are fortunate enough to sit at a table with a bad player who is 250bb deep then why would you want to sit with 40bb's?...would you not want to top up and iso as much as possible and fleece the bad player?

even if you are sitting with tagfish you will still be missing value when you hit your hands. it will surely be a slow grind playing SS all the time.

Its easy to play short stacked poker as if we have a good hand we will never large bet on the river in most cases we ill be already be all in by then most players wont play small pairs or suited connectors against us so less chances of getting a suck out. If you play good poker it can give you good profits as well.

Himanshu said:

Its easy to play short stacked poker as if we have a good hand we will never large bet on the river in most cases we ill be already be all in by then most players wont play small pairs or suited connectors against us so less chances of getting a suck out. If you play good poker it can give you good profits as well.

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can you play good poker with 40bb's?...i think anybody can shove a good hand short stacked, i dont think that means its good poker....if anything there will be more variance in that style

Himanshu said:

Its easy to play short stacked poker as if we have a good hand we will never large bet on the river in most cases we ill be already be all in by then most players wont play small pairs or suited connectors against us so less chances of getting a suck out. If you play good poker it can give you good profits as well.

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Completely incorrect.

F these SSers man.

There are many reasons to not play a SS. Only one that I can think of to play a SS: And that is if you are a new, inexperienced player on your first real money table. And even then, it should be short lived. AND, even then, it is really not a good reason. But I can understand someone wanting to "feel the water" first.

SSers also play like assholes a lot. They hit and run, they keep seats at a table occupied with...well... SSers. Their way of playing - especially the H+R - is what makes players trying to play good poker not like them. Plus they suck. But they suck with a SHORT STACK.

They are generally pussys who are afraid to play with any real stack. And they usually dont have any real knowledge of good poker playing.

As mentioned above, you wont find many decent players, if at all, who have any respect for a SSer here.

WVHillbilly said:

Short stackers are scum.

Did you have any other questions?

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But how do you REALLY feel?

Short stacking costs you value. When you have the nuts on the river in a 60BB pot.... And villain has 100BB behind.... Well sh1t you only have 10BB to shove. If you had more in from of you, maybe you could make an actual value bet for 40BB or so.

Short stack play is mostly for very incompetent post flop players.... The answer to this is to just learn to play post flop deeper. You should hit up "duggs deep stack thread" the dude is never under like 250BB at the start of a hand. now THAT is poker. Not your baby Whiney "woah I just won 10BB gonna leave and piss everybody off" type of play.

I'm fifteen years old, but the day I sit with less than 100BB on a table will be the day I force myself to never play poker again.

Jblocher1 said:

I'm fifteen years old, but the day I sit with less than 100BB on a table will be the day I force myself to never play poker again.

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LAWLpunked!

Zero chance that you are incapable of beating micro stakes poker with a full stack but can learn to play short stack well enough to make it profitable. None. Also because winrates are naturally more limited playing short, variance can more easily cause downswings to be more pronounced and prolonged. Those are the reasons for you NOT to want to do it.

The reason I hate short stacking scum is that you're by definition ****ing PoS, hit and run, ratholers since part of your strategy is to leave as soon as you're no longer short. You also ruin the "fun of the game" for the full stacked fish at the table. They just want to see a flop and your stupid shorty ass keeps shoving over and making him fold. So when he stands up to find somewhere else to sit or to play a tournament, my hatred only grows.

****, I don't even play anymore and this thread is still pissing me off.

short stacking is just sad imho. It looks and is sleazy.

I still believe in buying in with minimum there are so many donks out there and it is to expencieve to call with a max buyin. I get the point of protecting value but who knows if you get pos or neg value either way. You only raise your risk for loosing.

Lol why all that hate. Maybe you have lost a lot to shortstackers and that's why you always offend them without even knowing them personally?

I'm not going to try to convince anybody what are the benefits, I'll just list them from my point of view (I have played deepstacked for years, even heads up cash deep). So:
1. You have less big decisions to make, you don't have to be constantly thinking deep for the game and can autopilot more tables without dropping winrate. The stress is at least twice bigger with 100bb.
2. With the same bankroll you can play one level higher than you could with 100bb stack without having bigger swings.
From 1. and 2. => you can make at least twice more rakeback.

btc87 said:

Lol why all that hate. Maybe you have lost a lot to shortstackers and that's why you always offend them without even knowing them personally?

I'm not going to try to convince anybody what are the benefits, I'll just list them from my point of view (I have played deepstacked for years, even heads up cash deep). So:
1. You have less big decisions to make, you don't have to be constantly thinking deep for the game and can autopilot more tables without dropping winrate. The stress is at least twice bigger with 100bb.
2. With the same bankroll you can play one level higher than you could with 100bb stack without having bigger swings.
From 1. and 2. => you can make at least twice more rakeback.

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False.

btc87 said:

Lol why all that hate. Maybe you have lost a lot to shortstackers and that's why you always offend them without even knowing them personally?

I'm not going to try to convince anybody what are the benefits, I'll just list them from my point of view (I have played deepstacked for years, even heads up cash deep). So:
1. You have less big decisions to make, you don't have to be constantly thinking deep for the game and can autopilot more tables without dropping winrate. The stress is at least twice bigger with 100bb.
2. With the same bankroll you can play one level higher than you could with 100bb stack without having bigger swings.
From 1. and 2. => you can make at least twice more rakeback.

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see below.....

WVHillbilly said:

False.

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^^^^ what he said.

I can only assume you play bad and lost a lot of money DS as well as HU.

*sneeze* oh, sorry, I am allergic to bullshit.............


BTW, lmao @ the statement about more RB with smaller stacks.................... Not just more but TWICE more....... scuse me, I am still laffing

You don't get better rake back playing short stacked, you pay more rake for smaller edges.


Honestly playing 40bb poker is stupid for so many reasons. Yes you aim to get value from fish playing dominated hands, however you could get the same value when playing full stacked. More over most of the value we get from fish comes from them chasing draws when they aren't priced in and them over playing 1 pair type hands like top pair/over pairs when we have sets/ two pairs, heck when they put in multiple streets with top pair only to find themselves out kicked. You can't get this playing short stacked because fish can no longer chase draws, nor can they overplay an over pair against you.

Short stacks also really hamper decent players profits, no it's not because, as you put it "we lost to short stackers" its because the very existence of short stackers at the table lowers a regs EV. For 1 that seat could be used by a full stacked fish or a bad reg we can exploit due to deeper stacks allowing more play (another avenue of value a short stacker misses out on) but the main problem is because full stacked player can't play optimally against a table composition made up of multiple stack sizes. For example there are tons of spots where a hand might be profitable to open but because there are shorties behind to act it needs to be folded. Its not about being outplayed by short stacks, more about having to lose otherwise profitable spots.


Seriously short stacking is bad for your learning curve and win rate and just bad for the game in general since it takes the fun away for recreational players/fish.