Bet sizing on Ace high flops in position.

nasty bent gorilla · May 22, 2023

In single raised pots checked back to you in position, How many types of bet size do you have?

Do you have an over bet sometimes, if so, what factors incentivise betting over pot?

WrongUsername · May 22, 2023

i don´t think there is a reason to overbet on A high board on that situation, i like betting smaller with my entire range

eetenor · May 22, 2023

nasty bent gorilla said:
In single raised pots checked back to you in position, How many types of bet size do you have?

Do you have an over bet sometimes, if so, what factors incentivise betting over pot?

An over bet is an exploitative play so we want to be very sure that we are using it vs a Villain that we can exploit-
If they over fold we over bet bluffs- If they over call we over bet value it is a vey player specific action
The issue is when we are this deep into exploit play does it unbalance us vs the rest of the players on the table?

Aballinamion · May 22, 2023

nasty bent gorilla said:
In single raised pots checked back to you in position, How many types of bet size do you have?

Do you have an over bet sometimes, if so, what factors incentivise betting over pot?

Depends on position. From EP I’m betting 1/3 to 1/2 pot depending on board texture. If I’m facing a known whale and hit the flop I like to bet 2/3 or 3/4 of the pot, to build the pot as soon as possible to jam OTT or OTR.
When I’m playing from LP I like to use 1/5 or 1/4 and sometimes 1/3 pot.
When I’m stealing SB x BB I will use most of times, regardless of the flop, 1/4 and 1/5 of the pot, the reason is because I open too many hands for stealing. But your question was for situations where we are in position versus the blinds.
And I’m not considering any ace or any kind of cards on the flop. An ace on the flop will depend on our range, so it’s hard to give an accurate response.

nasty bent gorilla · May 23, 2023

Aballinamion said:
Depends on position. From EP I’m betting 1/3 to 1/2 pot depending on board texture. If I’m facing a known whale and hit the flop I like to bet 2/3 or 3/4 of the pot, to build the pot as soon as possible to jam OTT or OTR.
When I’m playing from LP I like to use 1/5 or 1/4 and sometimes 1/3 pot.

Fair enough. Presumably The bigger C bet relates to your range from EP being narrower , more tilted to AK/Q + you have all top sets because they didn't re-raise. Therefore more difficult for villain to check raise you.

eetenor said:
An over bet is an exploitative play so we want to be very sure that we are using it vs a Villain that we can exploit-
If they over fold we over bet bluffs- If they over call we over bet value it is a vey player specific action
The issue is when we are this deep into exploit play does it unbalance us vs the rest of the players on the table?

It's not necessarily an exploit against someone who over folds. EP raise, flop comes A K 7 rainbow, you have all the top set/second set, Top 2 pair etc.. They only have more very low sets/A7suited + K X two pair, those are rarer because the K X must have been suited, some villains will fold K7 suited before flop.

If you have QJ/TJ/QT backdoor flush draw, bombing the flop will fold out lots of K X + some A X villain holds, if you have been playing solidly before.

Balancing, mostly bluffs, with very strong hands.

Additionally, exploitative C Bets, can be small, against villains who over fold to bets.

Station_Master · May 23, 2023

As you say, it depends on board texture, e.g. on AK7 you can use a big size (though not bet range) whereas A72 you could bet range or close to range for a small size. More middling connected boards in between e.g. A76 you might want to bet 50% or so but not whole range.

Then add any villain specific exploits on top.

eetenor · May 24, 2023

nasty bent gorilla said:
Fair enough. Presumably The bigger C bet relates to your range from EP being narrower , more tilted to AK/Q + you have all top sets because they didn't re-raise. Therefore more difficult for villain to check raise you.

It's not necessarily an exploit against someone who over folds. EP raise, flop comes A K 7 rainbow, you have all the top set/second set, Top 2 pair etc.. They only have more very low sets/A7suited + K X two pair, those are rarer because the K X must have been suited, some villains will fold K7 suited before flop.

If you have QJ/TJ/QT backdoor flush draw, bombing the flop will fold out lots of K X + some A X villain holds, if you have been playing solidly before.

Balancing, mostly bluffs, with very strong hands.

Additionally, exploitative C Bets, can be small, against villains who over fold to bets.

You state "if you have been playing solidly before" that is literally an exploit approach to play

nasty bent gorilla · May 24, 2023

eetenor said:
An over bet is an exploitative play

nasty bent gorilla said:
It's not necessarily an exploit against someone who over folds.

I was disagreeing with this part of your post, and gave a hand example that was balanced.

You are right, however, the part you quoted is exploitative; I should have left that bit out, as it makes my main point less clear.

nasty bent gorilla said:
Balancing, mostly bluffs, with very strong hands.

The word 'mostly', also muddied the waters.

valen.bs.95 · May 27, 2023

The size of the bet should be standard, as with other hands, so as not to give away that you have the best card

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