hey, i'm 9k. #3

also pre + river.

PokerStars - $0.16 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $15.28 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, hands: 7)
BTN: $16.00 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (SB): $16.08
BB: $16.89 (VPIP: 23.26, PFR: 20.35, 3Bet Preflop: 6.85, Hands: 176)
UTG: $17.46 (VPIP: 29.10, PFR: 20.81, 3Bet Preflop: 6.98, Hands: 332)
MP: $19.51 (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 15)

Hero posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.24) Hero has J:club: J:heart:

UTG raises to $0.48, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.44, fold, UTG raises to $3.04, Hero calls $1.60

Flop: ($6.24, 2 players) J:spade: 5:club: 7:club:
Hero checks, UTG bets $3.04, Hero calls $3.04

Turn: ($12.32, 2 players) A:club:
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($12.32, 2 players) 2:club:
Hero checks, UTG bets $11.38 and is all-in, Hero calls $10.00 and is all-in

99) Given positions it seems highly unlikely he has a bluff, therefore more likely you are going to get paid. Still have to question it though as I feel you are going to the flop dominated a lot of the time. Obviously you have more postflops skills than me though so perhaps it isn't as bad. I think though his stack should at least have 15x the amount you have to call left behind. Should give you better implied odds and more maneuverability postflop.

JJ) Meh. I'm not very experienced in 3Bet pots but isn't the Ac one of the nut bluff cards here? Makes it seem less likely he has a bluff here as if he did he would be betting it OTT. Still though your line is so weak he has to expect folds the majority of the time. Think this is going to be KcKx/QcQx/KQcx type of hand most of the time.

99 seems fine to me, though I think it's close, and agree with Matt on the point about stack size behind.

JJ, pre seems questionable, since I'm not sure how many bluffs he realistically has when he 4bets? And even his bluffs will have decent equity and it's hard for us to realize our equity post flop when he has the initiative. Are we not x/r the flop because we think he has AK a ton?? Anyway, river is nasty but I probably call too since again as Matt said, he should expect a shove to get boat-loads of folds.

Given position and sizing (does he always make his 3bets 12bbs when OOP?) he seems strong, so you could fold the 99. Obviously post flop he's getting your money.

As for the second hand, ummm, I guess you think he's bluffing here? Why?

EDIT: that was talking about the river. Pre seems ish, but flop is a x/r surely.

99 hand pre is prob bad, dunno why I posted it.. seems like an easy fold.

JJ, I had notes on this guy and marked as a fishyreg. pre is pretty bad now I think about it.. what I get for watching Jason Somerville videos calling 4bets OOP. (but its ok because I'm gonna Neil on em on the flop obv)

flop I didnt raise because of stack sizes, no way to raise without being obv committed and I wanted to give him some kind of air if he has any.

river I feel is close because he really has KK/QQ w/ a club that he shoves river for value with with this line (sometimes AA?!) and then his air if he 4bets air from UTG. given positions etc if someone else posted this on here I'd say the river's a fold but given villain tendencies and the fact I like heroing and being right, I think its closer.

more thread action plz

got two for you guys anyway:

J9o - flop? kinda feel like he shouldn't have anything he raises here? given how air heavy my range is supposed to be it makes no sense to raise anything of value especially IP?

QQ - again flop/turn, kinda wanted to check back just so I didn't get raised since I only dislike A/K turns and I rep them more credibly than he does anyway..

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $35.34 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
UTG: $25.00 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
MP: $25.27 (VPIP: 16.84, PFR: 14.80, 3Bet Preflop: 3.39, Hands: 204)
Hero (CO): $27.21
BTN: $32.69 (VPIP: 29.21, PFR: 22.03, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 182)
SB: $25.00 (VPIP: 17.81, PFR: 15.07, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 74)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 9:club: J:diamond:

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.62, BTN calls $0.62, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.59, 2 players) 9:spade: 6:heart: Q:diamond:
Hero bets $0.75, BTN raises to $2.75, Hero calls $2.00

Turn: ($7.09, 2 players) J:spade:
Hero checks, BTN bets $5.75, Hero calls $5.75

River: ($18.59, 2 players) T:heart:
Hero checks, BTN checks

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PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $45.82 (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
Hero (BTN): $25.25
SB: $26.47 (VPIP: 41.67, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
BB: $26.94 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG: $48.19 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 23.81, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 21)
MP: $28.13 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q:club: Q:diamond:

UTG raises to $0.75, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.25, fold, fold, UTG calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.85, 2 players) J:heart: 9:heart: 4:club:
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.50, UTG raises to $5.10, Hero calls $2.60

Turn: ($15.05, 2 players) 3:heart:
UTG bets $7.60, fold

J9, I prob fold flop, cause I feel the rest of the hand will be very difficult to play correctly, but call doesn't seem awful. Why are we not x/r the turn? I assume we are x/f riv unless he bets with some sort of sizing tell?

QQ looks fine I think.

:'(

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $36.12 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 17.50, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 41)
Hero (CO): $28.01
BTN: $25.75 (VPIP: 25.82, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 10.61, Hands: 185)
SB: $63.84 (VPIP: 31.82, PFR: 19.09, 3Bet Preflop: 4.65, Hands: 113)
BB: $43.21
UTG: $58.09 (VPIP: 28.95, PFR: 18.42, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 39)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 9:spade: 9:diamond:

fold, MP raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, fold, fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.35, 3 players) K:spade: 7:heart: 3:club:
BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.35, 3 players) 9:heart:
BB checks, MP bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, fold

River: ($5.35, 2 players) T:diamond:
MP bets $3.75, Hero raises to $9.25, MP raises to $33.87 and is all-in, Hero?!

Raise turn every time and snap call the river.

and get value from what on the turn?

OMGITSOVER9K said:

and get value from what on the turn?

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Well we could get value from like AK, KQ, KJ, maybe even K9 though we have tons of blockers to that. Also suited Kxhh. 77/33.

Because really what else does he have then besides air? I mean he opens pre, checks flop as pfr. Just doesn't make sense. Really now that I think about it i'd be lost here lol. Weird spot. Almost looks like a bluff.

QJhh? lol gross spot.

WV what range are you putting him on?

99 hand looks dirty, i probs stab flop when checked to and expect to end the hand there enough

as played i like the calling turn planning to raise rivers given mp's range, and if the guys a reg i probably end up making a cry fold on the river

QJ bets flop no? I reckon TT is more likely to play like this than QJ. If BB is a fish then it obviously changes his Cbetting range somewhat in which case I can give him QJ easily enough.

I'm with Acky for the flop. I like to stab these spots all the time. As played I have no ****ing clue what to do.

acky100 said:

99 hand looks dirty, i probs stab flop when checked to and expect to end the hand there enough

as played i like the calling turn planning to raise rivers given mp's range, and if the guys a reg i probably end up making a cry fold on the river

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I'm agreeing with acky more and more, dunno if i'm getting good or slowly becoming a nit

anyway, keep debating

OMGITSOVER9K said:

and get value from what on the turn?

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Blobweird123 said:

Well we could get value from like AK, KQ, KJ, maybe even K9 though we have tons of blockers to that. Also suited Kxhh. 77/33.

Because really what else does he have then besides air? I mean he opens pre, checks flop as pfr. Just doesn't make sense. Really now that I think about it i'd be lost here lol. Weird spot. Almost looks like a bluff.

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All that blob mentioned, plus the str8 and flush draws that developed. He could just be semi-bluffing at the pot and your goal is to make it a -EV move for him to see the river. A raise accomplishes this.

I fold pre in 99 fwiw and play it the same and lol fold river most likely

not a really tough spot, just a confusing one? I kinda wanna call here since he shouldn't ever have Ax here over pairs that bluff maybe? (which means i'm giving him credit for bluffing rivers to fold out Kx/Qx)

turn check will probably be scrutinised, imo can't see him calling turns with anything bar JJ/TT because he'll probably always fold his small pairs to a barrel here vs a reg I think. but I do think his range is weak here, so checking turns to induce thin value or lighter check calls on rivers is a viable option? (maybe FPS) or could bet turns small or something, I dunno.

anyway, river?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $25.00 (VPIP: 18.06, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 73)
BTN: $25.00 (VPIP: 4.76, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
SB: $30.51 (VPIP: 24.00, PFR: 18.00, 3Bet Preflop: 15.00, Hands: 52)
BB: $35.35 (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 2.88, Hands: 286)
UTG: $29.92 (VPIP: 41.94, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 62)
Hero (MP): $25.00

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q:spade: Q:club:

UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.75, UTG calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.10, 3 players) 5:heart: 3:diamond: 5:spade:
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.75, BB calls $1.75, fold

Turn: ($6.60, 2 players) 5:diamond:
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($6.60, 2 players) 5:club:
BB bets $3.00, Hero?

lol

more..

bet turn 1000% of the time. Fold river now he has a shitton of Ax combos.

I really can't see why we wouldn't bet the turn.

hackmeplz said:

bet turn 1000% of the time. Fold river now he has a shitton of Ax combos.

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This ofc. Plus it's stars so you can't entirely discount another 5 either.

ok, i'm retarded, I get it.

Loonbat said:

All that blob mentioned, plus the str8 and flush draws that developed. He could just be semi-bluffing at the pot and your goal is to make it a -EV move for him to see the river. A raise accomplishes this.

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