a scenario under dispute

ScottFinalTableHamilton · Aug 3, 2007

Hello everyone, I am interested to know what any of you think about this particular scenario I was involved in just now in a multi.

there was about 150 people left out of 560

big blind was 150
9 person full table
there were 3 players involved in this pot, me being one of them
I started hand with 1250 chips
I was big blind for 150 so going into the flop I had 1100 chips
the small blind called, which put him at 1680 going into the flop
the other guy involved in this pot called the blind out of position, he had
5,625 chips going into the flop

I had Q 10 off suit
small blind guy had 2 5 diamonds
and other guy had A 8 diamonds

the flop came 9d7c8d

big stack checks.... small blind bets out 150.... i go all in for 1100....

What would generally do if you were the big stack guy, with my all in in front of you...

as far as other factors go..... I had been playing tight, as I always do... and for the sake of this argument let's say the small blind guy was a neutral style player.

stormswa · Aug 3, 2007

if I was the big stack I would call floor because its a fixed deck.

ScottFinalTableHamilton said:
Hello everyone, I am interested to know what any of you think about this particular scenario I was involved in just now in a multi.

there was about 150 people left out of 560

big blind was 150
9 person full table
there were 3 players involved in this pot, me being one of them
I started hand with 1250 chips
I was big blind for 150 so going into the flop I had 1100 chips
the small blind called, which put him at 1680 going into the flop
the other guy involved in this pot called the blind out of position, he had
5,625 chips going into the flop

I had Q 10 off suit
small blind guy had 2 5 diamonds
and other guy had A 8 diamonds

the flop came 9d7c8d

big stack checks.... small blind bets out 150.... i go all in for 1100....

What would generally do if you were the big stack guy, with my all in in front of you...

as far as other factors go..... I had been playing tight, as I always do... and for the sake of this argument let's say the small blind guy was a neutral style player.

ScottFinalTableHamilton · Aug 3, 2007

call floor because it is a fixed deck? what does that mean?

stormswa · Aug 3, 2007

ScottFinalTableHamilton said:
call floor because it is a fixed deck? what does that mean?

look at hand there are two 8 of diamonds in the deck.

rob5775 · Aug 3, 2007

Meaning that the hand is void because he can't have the 8 of diamonds when it also came out on the flop.

When you call "floor!", you are asking for the floor manager/pit boss/ tourney director.

ScottFinalTableHamilton · Aug 3, 2007

there are 2 8's of diamonds in the deck? what the hell does that mean?

stormswa · Aug 3, 2007

ScottFinalTableHamilton said:
there are 2 8's of diamonds in the deck? what the hell does that mean?

I give up.

ScottFinalTableHamilton · Aug 3, 2007

oh sorry i didnt read your last post before writing that

ohhh, hahahahah i mis wrote it. DAMNIT

the 7 and the 9's were diamonds

stormswa · Aug 3, 2007

then the big stack should either re-raise all in to isolate or fold, the origional bet of 150 is sure sign of weakness and he knows he has at least 9 outs against you to make the flush. and before you say 2 of his outs are gone because other guy had 2 diamonds you only count on unseen cards and he dosent know the other guy had 2 diamonds.

he is getting 5-1 on his call of your all in. Id be more inclinded to shove here, actully im shoving this as big stack most of the time.

ScottFinalTableHamilton · Aug 3, 2007

i wasnt going to say that.

rob5775 · Aug 3, 2007

stormswa said:
and before you say 2 of his outs are gone because other guy had 2 diamonds you only count on unseen cards and he dosent know the other guy had 2 diamonds.

So that would lead me to assume they both went allin... Could be wrong here, but I have that poker-gut telling me I'm right.

ScottFinalTableHamilton · Aug 3, 2007

why would he want to drop 1100 on a flush draw?

the small blind guy called for all his chips, yes

stormswa · Aug 3, 2007

ScottFinalTableHamilton said:
why would he want to drop 1100 on a flush draw?

5-1 on his call and flush draw is 3-1 to hit. Simple. plus his ace might be good adding like 2 more outs because we discount.

ScottFinalTableHamilton · Aug 3, 2007

where do you get 5-1

stormswa · Aug 3, 2007

look at it this way if big stack loses he goes down to 4k in chips which is still 26 big blinds and if he wins he has massive chip stack. Its a simple play in my opinion.

ScottFinalTableHamilton · Aug 3, 2007

where do you get 5-1 though?

stormswa · Aug 3, 2007

ScottFinalTableHamilton said:
where do you get 5-1

its only 2-1 on his call by pot odds but his relative chip stack is 5-1 on your bet, if this bet was more of his chip stack it would be a fold because of pot odds but because of his chip stack this should be pretty much instant call.

ScottFinalTableHamilton · Aug 3, 2007

why does having a big chip stack mean you should bet on worse pot odds?

stormswa · Aug 3, 2007

ScottFinalTableHamilton said:
why does having a big chip stack mean you should bet on worse pot odds?

you dont take your chip stack into concideration when you make a call in a game? you dont take how many big blinds you would have left?

if you dont you should, this should be a standard shove vs your range of hands. he can add 2k to his stack or lose 1k and still have plenty of chips to still have fold equity and chip his way up.

why do you think when people try to make a decision they count out the chips for the call then see how much they would have left. You think they do it just to get more TV time?

reglardave · Aug 3, 2007

ScottFinalTableHamilton said:
why would he want to drop 1100 on a flush draw?

Pot odds is why

, he's getting the right price on his money. If you're talking about the big stack, he's got your post flop shove way covered,, and his draw, being for the nut flush, beats the hell outta your str8 draw. Even worst case, he's still EV'd into the call

JAMILE1 · Aug 3, 2007

Hey Scott what is the dispute you speak of in title? is him calling on a flush draw the dispute you're having? if not please clarify what the dispute is.

Thanks

stormswa · Aug 3, 2007

JAMILE1 said:
Hey Scott what is the dispute you speak of in title? is him calling on a flush draw the dispute you're having? if not please clarify what the dispute is.

Thanks

im guessing he called and won with Ace high or flush.

JAMILE1 · Aug 3, 2007

Yes Storm I am thinking the same thing.

ScottFinalTableHamilton · Aug 3, 2007

storm... are you saying it was a risk 1 to win 2 situation?

stormswa · Aug 3, 2007

ScottFinalTableHamilton said:
storm... are you saying it was a risk 1 to win 2 situation?

I have no idea what you are trying to ask?

I think your play was fine concidering your stack size, I think the big stacks call if that is what he did was fine. I think other guy that called with the small flush is pretty bad.

is that what you are asking?

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