Best pre-flop raise size, and why?

Transcendence · Mar 24, 2019

The usual size that would pick up theirs rates, do raise because I think that my cards are better and I'll take theirs money

prozitu · Mar 24, 2019

my food in the preflop is 3 to 4x, on the importance of eliminating the competition with the rules of two pairs absent and complicate the move.

Erpherk · Mar 24, 2019

2.5-3x is about right in my book, 3x i use early tournament cause everyone is very deep stacked and i reduce it down to 2.5x when the blinds get a little bigger and everyone is less deep stacked. The reason for it would be if you get 3 bet it should be a smaller raise then if it was raised 3-4x.

finaltable1 · Mar 24, 2019

I'm mixing it.
Strong starting hand = 3bb +1 per limper.
Weak connectors = 4-6bb+ 1 per limper.

this way at early stage I can build a pot with a bit weaker raise but holding strong hand. If my hand is weak, but I have the position I try to bet alot to cut off potentially weak aces and different connectors, so if someone calls me - I know that i'm against some strong hand, and since i've got weak suited connectors then my hand is quite unreadable.
This is how I do it at early stages of MTT with big field.

Later on I switch my strategy to something unreadable, as i think it is.
I never repeat bet size for equal hands.. Got KK - bet 4-5bb, couple of hands later got AA - limp it or bet 2bb. Next time at the same table with AA i might bet 10bb or go all-in pre-flop.

Opponents with HUD don't like me for such abra-ka-dabra

Ltech · Apr 2, 2019

pre flop ranges

It depends on the moment when you a playing a tournament. The raise situation means that you have a strong hand. In accord to the position and numbers of opponents. Under the gun for example i only raise with AA, Aks, KK and QQ.

tauri103 · Apr 2, 2019

it is generally raised for two reasons:

1-to value his hand which is to charge an opponent with a hand worse than ours.
2 - To bluff what is to give the opponent a better hand than ours.

at small limits, valuation should be the most common reason because people pay more often with weak hands and rarely sleep with strong or medium hands. On the other hand, the more you get into stakes and more people will be competent and will not pay you often. It is at these limits that bluffing will be profitable and therefore a weapon of choice.

MadDeVille · Apr 2, 2019

damgold said:
What is the size of your raise pre-flop and why you raise before flop?

I think not the size of the raise matter a lot, as being consistent with your raise and not create paterns like many people do, raise small when they have a small hand and big when they have a big hand.:deal::deal::deal:

Erpherk · Apr 2, 2019

With a good hand UTG i will make it 3x, because there are a lot of players behind me and i don't want everyone calling. If i'm in position it might be 2.5 to 3x depending on what the blinds are at the time and what hand i got. If nearing a final table i might reduce my raise size to 2x because players tighten up and i don't want everyone to fold when i have AA KK. Cheers and GL

TeUnit · Apr 2, 2019

Its a hard question to answer, but the vague answer is.... the best raise size is the smallest raise that accomplishes your goal.

Aca0012 · Apr 2, 2019

I think the best pre-flop raise is 2.5 big blend or about 2 big blends, because it's some standard raise of all professional players and it's the best. Because if someone raises 5 times a big blend and someone is a 3-bet then it's too much of a money invested if we may not want to continue our hand and we're losing. So it's the best raise of 2.5 big blends.

moshie · May 18, 2020

Usually around 2.2 to 3 x because if I raise smaller the next raise will go to 6 to 9 bbs.
It make it a little easier for me to continue out of position.

German629 · May 19, 2020

Hello, Everyone! I'm sometimes do a triple bet on preflop, that to steal blinds by possibility,

or that in bank entered:secruity:
as can less players: this increases chances pick up bank more painless...

But this depends, of course, from my position, my stack,
and most importantly, which opponents before me at this time...

Dkerridge14 · May 19, 2020

damgold said:
What is the size of your raise pre-flop and why you raise before flop?

I do believe if you you change raise size to your holding you become face up, I go for a 4x in early, 3.5x in mid and 3x in late. 3 betting is 2x for an early raise, 3x for a mid and 4x for a late.
This is no matter what you’re holding, it keeps your opponent guessing. If they fold they fold, you pick up free chips.
End of the day you wanna be getting a lot of chips in the pot with your good hands for the reduced spr as premium hands perform better and when you do have bluffs it’s hard for your opponents to differentiate.
Gl on felt

Dkerridge14 · May 19, 2020

Dkerridge14 said:
I do believe if you you change raise size to your holding you become face up, I go for a 4x in early, 3.5x in mid and 3x in late. 3 betting is 2x for an early raise, 3x for a mid and 4x for a late.
This is no matter what you’re holding, it keeps your opponent guessing. If they fold they fold, you pick up free chips.
End of the day you wanna be getting a lot of chips in the pot with your good hands for the reduced spr as premium hands perform better and when you do have bluffs it’s hard for your opponents to differentiate.
Gl on felt

Not only that but you don’t want to be giving your opponents chance to see cheap flops with the marginals and opportunity to crack them premium hands

andreypuch · May 19, 2020

Hmm. Quite a lot of opinions. Stacks, position, opponent's style of play, limpers, and so on. But does the size of the raise not depend on the strength of Your hand? In modern poker, even on ML, aces are opened with a 6-7x raise. Not to mention the average limits. Just wondering how, for example, how You will raise with the button-1010, and KK (for exp). One on one, microlimits.

olegshubin · May 19, 2020

I think the best raise is 2.5 blinds, a normal player will not pay with a bad hand, and if the player is a fish, he will pay 4 and 5 blinds, so there is no difference, it is better to save chips.

JoseFerreras · May 19, 2020

I think this depends on the level you are playing.
You see in the big games people raise from 2x - 2.2x

In a lower game i think its ok to go from 2.5x - 3x

Therminator · May 19, 2020

Hello, there's just so many things to take into account that there really isn't any specific bet amounts that work in most situations.

fruittree · May 19, 2020

My favorite raise in early position with good cards is 3x. Serious bet will get the tables respect, but now you run the gambit past a lot of hands. Middle position 2 - 2.5x. Late position 2.5 - 3x You only have a few players left, so make them think. This all depends on stack, ITM, and notes or knowledge of opponents.

Claudiunm · May 20, 2020

damgold said:
What is the size of your raise pre-flop and why you raise before flop?

There are many variants to answer this question:
1 Which hand do I have pre-flop?
2 What position am I at the table?
3 Am I playing a tournament or cash game?
4 If it is a tournament, is it at the beginning (small blinds) or at the end (large blinds)?
5 If it is a tournament, how is my stack compared to other players?

Within these variables there is room to raise from 2x to all-in.

There are two reasons for raising: getting a higher profit in the case of cash game, and or eliminating the other player in case of a tournament.

luiz6422 · May 20, 2020

there is no best bet size. It always depends on the situation.

2.5 to allin

olewerkrd · May 20, 2020

There is no better raise preflop. I do not have an ordinary game. My bet depends on the position, from the cards I received. I call most of the time, but if I use a raise, then 2-3 big blinds.

izmoroc · May 20, 2020

I usually choose the riase according chips, but not to blinds (if it's tourny).
Cos if the early phase of tournament and we have deep stake but blinds (3000) are too small (30-50) we can play more freely and riase about 250 - 300 chips, so make pot about 1,500-2,000 for 3 people.
If your opponents have money to call and you have good card you can play your own game.
For cash games, I agree about 2,5 - 4 BB.

meser09 · May 20, 2020

It depends on the moment when you a playing a tournament. The raise situation means that you have a strong hand: AA, KK and QQ.

pendulabgd · May 20, 2020

smallfrie said:
I would not recommend this at all. I do change based on cards when I have a big call-station to my left and I have a big pair and I know they will call no matter how big I raise, but that is just to exploit a glaring known weakness in a player, but other than very limited situations basing pre-flop raise sizes on your cards is a bad idea, you are basically playing with your cards face up by doing that.

This is one of the better advices that I heard here, a lot of players are making the same mistakes and raising preflop and when flop opens they in most of the time, fold because as you said nowadays we have calling machines and they are calling anything so your goal must be to see the flop cheaper as possible and when you hit the flop you will double or triple up. Before 5 years yes from x3 up to x8 big blind (if you are in late position and 5 of them call BB, you are going that 5 BB + x3 BB = x8 BB) and there was a lot of sense to do that and push the weaker hand, nowadays if you raise x8 BB you are getting reraised all in and then becomes a coin flip almost.
The poker is changed, I can witness that because I had long pause in playing (from fulltilt crash stopped and started more than a month ago) more than 5 years and I can witness how strategy expanded and I followed basic strategy with handchart (something like range but they are telling you exactly what hands to play and how), continuation bets concept, bets x3 + every call +1BB... But today is totally different level of strategies and more and more players do follow the strategy as well. At the time it was easier, when I saw betting patterns I could figure out if the player follows the basic strategy or not, now you can't do it anymore.

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