More I study the worse I seem to get

Dresft · May 17, 2020

I have been playing seriously for a month after having dabbled over the years. I read, watch, learn. I study Jonathan Little poker coaching, I use poker tracker 4, I spend a good part of each day learning to play.

I’m rubbish. I was breaking even until last week or so where everything I touch loses. I do stupid things, I can’t let go of a pot that I’ve invested into and my AKo will get all-in by a J2o and I’ll lose the draw to and miss the flop. I lose KK and AA and JJ regular.

Does it get better? I am really trying to learn but I feel like giving up. I’ve only lost £40 across all the sites I play, but that is all in the last week.

I know variance is a thing, but I also know I have a lot to learn. I need to not get tied up into a pot and accept that my 30% of stack raise will get beaten on an unlucky flop.

I’m getting despondent! Does it take a while to become a break even player at least?

neptun1914 · May 17, 2020

Variance is definitely factor but learning also takes time. If you expect to read entire book for few days and become pro player - well it will not work. You should read carefully trying to understand the concepts and gradually incorporate new techniques into your game. You also need to take a break from time to time.

DS3 · May 17, 2020

It sounds like you are a little confused with where you are at.

You cite learning as if it could be a hindrance (I agree somewhat) and then also your own game leaks. First things first.

I believe in studying but have come to appreciate you can only implement at your own pace. Just because any coach will tell you 'aggression works' does not mean you can flip a switch and play aggressively from there on out. You need to grow into it, to feel comfortable with a new strategy and that takes time.

As regards your game leaks which you can identify already, why not dial back the frustrations by playing free rolls for a period? Many note the play is wilder than micro stakes (no argument here) but I think it teaches a real level of discipline. It also serves as a marker for me. I simply believe if I (or anyone) cannot regularly cash at this level then it doesn't make that much sense to think I could cash at higher, buy-in levels.

Its an avenue to use to prove yourself with no financial downside. Find your feet, cash regularly and then move back up. All you are doing now, with little experience, is putting yourself under needless pressure.

silentshowdown · May 18, 2020

Dresft said:
I have been playing seriously for a month after having dabbled over the years. I read, watch, learn. I study Jonathan Little poker coaching, I use poker tracker 4, I spend a good part of each day learning to play.

I’m rubbish. I was breaking even until last week or so where everything I touch loses. I do stupid things, I can’t let go of a pot that I’ve invested into and my AKo will get all-in by a J2o and I’ll lose the draw to and miss the flop. I lose KK and AA and JJ regular.

Does it get better? I am really trying to learn but I feel like giving up. I’ve only lost £40 across all the sites I play, but that is all in the last week.

I know variance is a thing, but I also know I have a lot to learn. I need to not get tied up into a pot and accept that my 30% of stack raise will get beaten on an unlucky flop.

I’m getting despondent! Does it take a while to become a break even player at least?

Sometimes it's not your fault. Maybe variance, tough opponents, or you were tilted.
When downswing happened to me, I also feel the same. For Microstakes, I think the most common leak it's "tilted".

Reading your post here, I can make an assumption that you're in tilt. So, every time I feel like I'm a loser, I'm reading material about tilt. It helps a lot. Try it.

jmg199 · May 18, 2020

It might help you a bit mentally to watch some long term pros on Twitch.
We want to think they're doing magical things but really it's a lot of patience and playing enough tables to where enough of the spots where they have a 60% edge pays off.
Effectively playing 6 to 12 tourneys at the same time without a noticeable drop in level of play is where their true edge comes in.
I'm assuming you're just doing 1 to 2 at a time which is fine but you're bound to have a week or 2 in a row where everything seems to go wrong.

FoxMS · May 18, 2020

No doubt you need time. In order to start getting good results, you need to spend years developing and improving your skills. Only your patience will ensure your success.

NWPatriot · May 18, 2020

You mentioned that you have been playing seriously for 1 month. That really is not enough time to make a determination about your poker skills.

First question is: do you like to play? I understand that losing is not fun, but do you enjoy playing. If you do not enjoy it, then stop putting money into it. If you do enjoy it, try and think of it as a puzzle to solve. All players, and I mean ALL players will have good months and will have bad months or even years. Be objective about what you think is happening, then study and plan your attack for these situations. Practice, study and learn just as often as you play.

I had the same sort of thing happen to me. When I was poker ignorant, I had better results. Maybe there was something in my game that was valuable and I just didn't know it. Maybe a novice view of the game has some merit and then we learn what others say we are supposed to do and we are not ready to implement these things properly. Maybe it was just dumb luck. It probably is a little of each. I have worked my way through this tough period and feel pretty good about my game now.

Keep working, good luck and God bless.

MrPokerVerse · May 18, 2020

Run some hand history on those three hands you mentioned you can't win (AA KK JJ). Probably find you are winning those more than you think. Hardest part of this game is doing everything right but not getting the results.

Deedgee · May 18, 2020

If you're playing against loose players who have no concept of odds and strategy, it stands to reason that a textbook strategy might actually be a negative, as opposed to relying mainly on instinct and position.

jfofla · May 18, 2020

friend, poker is a game that people have to have 90% luck and 10% skills, playing with AA, KK does not mean that you will win, because there are a lot of kamikazes that play with 2/3 and give allin and win.

tauri103 · May 18, 2020

if you are not profitable in the long term. this means that you still make a lot of mistakes in your game. in poker you have to be rigorous and disciplined. usually players bet too often and don't fold enough. I advise you to watch more strategic videos and get inspired for your game. You must also take your time during the game because it could help you make the right decisions. of course you have to play several hundred hands a day for a long time to learn from these mistakes and start becoming a profitable player in the long run. I hope these tips can help you and I wish you well for your next games.

iwont20 · May 18, 2020

Rome wasn't built in one day and you won't become a stable winning poker player in one day (month, etc). btw such thing as a stable winning poker player does not exist, you should expect and accept that loosing is a part of the game (especially for a such short period of time as one week).

If there is a lot of frustration and disappointment, then there was a lot of high expectations. I suggest you to answer to yourself - why do you play, set a realistic goal and work toward it one step at a time, playing within your limits (!) - proper bankroll managements is a boring must.

PS. I think this video might be helpful for you:

Szachajevy · May 18, 2020

I don't think that poker is something what you can just learn form books, books is just one small detail in a big puzzle. Practicing is very important, it will be amazing if you would have skill to "read people" too

dannystanks · Nov 1, 2024

Study more. Not just one book or one author but several even. Audio books, videos, training sites and practice is what you need to improve.

Sunz of Beaches · Nov 1, 2024

dannystanks said:
Study more. Not just one book or one author but several even. Audio books, videos, training sites and practice is what you need to improve.

He probably studied by now or went completely broke. The question was asked 5 years ago.

dannystanks · Nov 1, 2024

That’s funny I just noticed!

odonob · Nov 1, 2024

To be honest I don’t think that study matters at all. Once you can win several MTTs then you basically have the entire skill set. It’s knowing not to waste time on meaningless study that is the actual skill. The same as a scholar in a University, know what to study and don’t overdo it.

Flyer35 · Nov 1, 2024

Been there. Step away from the books for a while and just ask yourself what feels right?

thetick33 · Nov 1, 2024

Dresft said:
I have been playing seriously for a month after having dabbled over the years. I read, watch, learn. I study Jonathan Little poker coaching, I use poker tracker 4, I spend a good part of each day learning to play.

I’m rubbish. I was breaking even until last week or so where everything I touch loses. I do stupid things, I can’t let go of a pot that I’ve invested into and my AKo will get all-in by a J2o and I’ll lose the draw to and miss the flop. I lose KK and AA and JJ regular.

Does it get better? I am really trying to learn but I feel like giving up. I’ve only lost £40 across all the sites I play, but that is all in the last week.

I know variance is a thing, but I also know I have a lot to learn. I need to not get tied up into a pot and accept that my 30% of stack raise will get beaten on an unlucky flop.

I’m getting despondent! Does it take a while to become a break even player at least?

first what site sites are you playing...does it get better? not if your complaining after a month....not at all..1st you must trust the process 2nd you need to follow the process....make rules....if you are playing scared or it hurts to lose the money you are already beaten imo....if you cant burn that money? your gambling....making it a lot harder on your nerves and yourself ....ive played millions of hands....i dont put up money i cant lose....i go through months of bad unlucky play...my biggest asset... when I dont care to a point of the money? losing? ill come out ahead and having the ability to forget those losses is everything to me....seriously i forget the hand once its played....this is a gift but the rules i play with allow this for me ....

hilary antonik filho · Nov 1, 2024

One of the few pieces of advice I can give you is, Be patient and write down the mistakes and successes, analyze what you could have done better, and don't be worried about winning, but avoid losing, good luck and success.
It's good to study poker, but beware, perfection comes with time, and it may never come

Colbefc · Nov 1, 2024

If you have only been playing a month but have lost $40 you are playing at too high
a stake. Stick to the lowest, ideally 1c/2c and then your mistakes won't cost you
too much.
Just enjoy playing and watch a few videos on here or YouTube and good luck to you

puzzlefish · Nov 1, 2024

All of the OP's play was finished by July 2020, so I would say R.I.P. and you are all talking into the wind here.

accuratefern · Nov 3, 2024

Been playing for 20 years. I still study the game - mostly via audiobooks. Circa 80% playing the game and 20% study. Poker constantly evolves with GTO being the most important issue over the last decade. With no implementing of GTO it would be a tall order to - at best - break even. So the best advice from me would be:
1. Learn the game and start playing instantly. You will lose, but look on it as an investment.
2. Read poker books. Stay strictly to strategy book and books on the mental game of poker.
3. Play again. Most players have never read a poker book. Still, it is fine if you break even after a year or so.
4. Now you have some experience. Use this to study Game Theory Optimal. There are numerous books on this topic, i.e. Jonathan Little: Strategies For Beating Small Stakes Cash Games. Another solid work is Evan Jarvis: Mastering Small Stakes Cash Game.
5. After a while it is not unrealistic that you make profit - say 15BB pro hour.

rachelle2291 · Nov 3, 2024

I don't study because I do not think it would be fun but what intrigues me is how these extremely old 5 year plus posts all of a sudden get resurrected from the dead.

emsea9o5 · Nov 3, 2024

dannystanks said:
Study more. Not just one book or one author but several even. Audio books, videos, training sites and practice is what you need to improve.

Don’t get discouraged. Study us important but the most important thing about learning is experience.

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