AAs on a difficult spot. Call? or fold?

drhousethebest said:

I'm playing on a tournament live. Recreational game.
I got AAs UTG. Blinds are 600/300 and I seat on the table a little late, is my 2nd or 3rd hand. The tournament is a deep stack, so everybody stars with about 40,000k.

I raised standard to 1800, guy to my left (I never played with him before, no idea of his game) calls, everybody folds, guy on middle position re-raised me to 3600.I'm used to play with him, he is kind of a maniac, he would call with any two cards but is very odd he would raise me, so I put him on a very strong hand even tho his raise was kind odd, but because he is loose, and I wanted to get the most value I just called. I put him on KKs exclusively.
Guy to my left just calls as well.

Flop came I have
So I raised the flop 6,000k

Guy to my left Goes all in for about 30k

middle position Snap calls

I have about 30k left. What would you to with AAs on that spot?
What is your opinion I did wrong at this point?

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xOneCoolHandx said:

What you did wrong is simple. You should have pushed preflop. Most likely both players fold but if the 3 bettor did have KK then he was calling and you are taking a bad beat. That was the second biggest mistake you made. I say that because it is not always bad to flat with AA. But, you were out of position and it is hard to realize your equity with any hand including AA from OOP.

Your biggest mistake was trying to put the 3 bettor on a particular hand instead of a range of hands. Especially in your situation. You haven't mentioned your table image, just your position and you mentioned that the 3 bettor was a maniac that you played with before. Could he have been 3 betting a wider range because you often raise and fold to a 3 bet from EP? Could he have been 3 betting with AK, KQ, QJ, QQ, JJ, TT or any other hands besides KK? You said you hadn't played but a few hands with the caller, did you have any initial thoughts on him?

I haven't read anything but what you have wrote, but I will to see if you reveal the outcome of the hand, but, I would be surprised if one player didn't have a strong flush draw and the other AK.

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fundiver199 said:

This is where, the hand went completely off the rails. You have the nuts, so how is "just calling" the best way to get value, and especially if you think, your opponent has the second nuts? Do you think, he is folding the second nuts, if you reraise him? Of course not. He probably go all in, and even if he just call, you likely get the other guy out of the pot (isolate), and with so much more chips in the middle, postflop simply play itself.

As played you put yourself in a spot, you should never have been in, and which just suck. With one guy all in, I am probably calling here, but the fact, they are both all in, changes things. Its not unreasonable, that at least one of them have you beat here, so as others have said, you probably have to fold and live to fight another day especially in a tournament.

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pcgnome said:

I'm not sure what you mean by "recreational game". Most people play poker for recreational purposes. Is there a buy-in or is this more like a local bar freeroll?

You've got a pair of aces on a coordinated flop with two players already all in. It's a shame that you have to might have to fold the aces, but that's what I would probably do. There's a good chance that at least somebody hit a set or a straight on the flop in which case you would need runner-runners to win the hand if you were to decide to call.

The next time that you find yourself with a premium hand like AA in this type of tournament, consider raising at least 5X the big blinds. That way you have a chance to isolate somebody and win a nice pot.

Good luck!

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rodo 2285 said:

I think I would withdraw, because I have the feeling of losing that hand, they preferred to play another less risky hand

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