I can't stand the guy but it's good to see Tony G making some humanitarian efforts

ScooperNova · Mar 7, 2022

Tony G, sigh. I know some people see him as a fun loving guy having some silly fun but I just think he's a gigantic ***** at the poker table. He has the most punchable face in poker. Now, I've seen that he has a lot of fans who think he's hilarious, so I understand this isn't the most popular opinion. It amazes me that all of his fans I've met also somehow think Helmuth is a huge ***** and they hate him. Maybe someone could explain this phenomenon LOL. Anyway, it was nice to see he was making some humanitarian efforts to help Ukranian citizens right now. The details are right here: Russia Banking Chaos Hits Poker, Tony G Helps Ukraine (cardschat.com).

Edit: I guess I said a bad word I didn't know was a bad word. I guess replace the asterisks with "butthead".

pirateglenn · Mar 7, 2022

So i used to think the same thoughts about Tony G but i can tell you - this is not the first time he has put his hand into his poker to help people.
Poker needs characters and for decades now - we have had some heroes and some villains.
Personally- hes a TV producers dream as he makes for good TV and his exploits versus Phil Hellmuth are the stuff of legend.

Do i like him? I dont have to like a guy to be entertained by him

ScooperNova · Mar 7, 2022

pirateglenn said:
So i used to think the same thoughts about Tony G but i can tell you - this is not the first time he has put his hand into his poker to help people.
Poker needs characters and for decades now - we have had some heroes and some villains.
Personally- hes a TV producers dream as he makes for good TV and his exploits versus Phil Hellmuth are the stuff of legend.

Do i like him? I dont have to like a guy to be entertained by him

That's a fair opinion. Thanks for the reply. Arrrrrrr

Poker Orifice · Mar 8, 2022

I agree! I think he's a fk'n moron.

DS3 · Mar 8, 2022

Tony G and Phil Helmuth both have personality disorders. It's hard for me to like either of them but I actually do afford them some latitude.

Helmuth is the more obvious because apart from his rudeness which is condoned at the tables, he also obsesses about money and rich people. Mentioning his connections to wealth are a compulsion with him. That said he is said to be really pleasant off the table and in a 'normal' environment.

Tony G is different because obviously he is a complete **** at the table and is extremely spiteful. I imagine he's a lot milder away from the table also. But, he is extremely successful and ambitious off the table so I have a feeling his default mode is aggression.

That said, I can sort of accept them for what they are. The players/personalities that can really irk me are the ones who front as pleasant but really aren't.

Kudos for Tony G though for stepping up and contributing regarding Ukraine. I am not sure most even know or remember Tony G is Lithuanian.

ScooperNova · Mar 8, 2022

Poker Orifice said:
I agree! I think he's a fk'n moron.

DS3 said:
Tony G and Phil Helmuth both have personality disorders. It's hard for me to like either of them but I actually do afford them some latitude.

Helmuth is the more obvious because apart from his rudeness which is condoned at the tables, he also obsesses about money and rich people. Mentioning his connections to wealth are a compulsion with him. That said he is said to be really pleasant off the table and in a 'normal' environment.

Tony G is different because obviously he is a complete **** at the table and is extremely spiteful. I imagine he's a lot milder away from the table also. But, he is extremely successful and ambitious off the table so I have a feeling his default mode is aggression.

That said, I can sort of accept them for what they are. The players/personalities that can really irk me are the ones who front as pleasant but really aren't.

Kudos for Tony G though for stepping up and contributing regarding Ukraine. I am not sure most even know or remember Tony G is Lithuanian.

Thanks for the input folks. I think I can agree with all of that.

No Bologna · Mar 9, 2022

No Bologna

I like Tony G. He is alot like Helmuth as far as talking shit and reminds me of his style. It's good to see that he actually has a heart as alot of poker players do as far as humanitarian efforts.

Shumkoolie · Mar 9, 2022

I find him amusing and entertaining honestly. He's not a poker robot, which seem to be what we see in the big high stakes cash games. I understand he's not for everybody as he can come off as obnoxious at times, but you can't deny he is relevant.

That said, he's shown the side of him that regardless of what you think of him, is something to admire and respect. Many others in the poker world have shown their charitable side in different ways for different reasons, which is good to see.

fedkov · Mar 10, 2022

Well done to him, this will definitely be credited, he is doing a good deed.

AllOut · Mar 11, 2022

DS3 said:
Tony G and Phil Helmuth both have personality disorders. It's hard for me to like either of them but I actually do afford them some latitude.

Helmuth is the more obvious because apart from his rudeness which is condoned at the tables, he also obsesses about money and rich people. Mentioning his connections to wealth are a compulsion with him. That said he is said to be really pleasant off the table and in a 'normal' environment.

Tony G is different because obviously he is a complete **** at the table and is extremely spiteful. I imagine he's a lot milder away from the table also. But, he is extremely successful and ambitious off the table so I have a feeling his default mode is aggression.

That said, I can sort of accept them for what they are. The players/personalities that can really irk me are the ones who front as pleasant but really aren't.

Kudos for Tony G though for stepping up and contributing regarding Ukraine. I am not sure most even know or remember Tony G is Lithuanian.

He (Tony G) probably didn't slapped someone when he lost the game. Poker is a war, and in this war people reveal their style of play and character at the table in general. Some are naturally like that or just do it for the game. Tony G has an aggressive and oppressive personality, so he usually tries to manipulate his opponents. This is his way of attacking and need not be hated as every attack has a response as well as a defense as well as a counter attack. He wants to rule his opponents in this way, and always mentally impose his superiority on them. This is so natural and accepted psychology tactic and has nothing near to be called 'disorder' This mentality and attitude is perfectly fine to use in poker because people are fighting for their money on the table.

I passed poker, there are also such people from other fields of games and sports, such as Cristiano Ronaldo. Millions of people like you hate him for excuses just like that (I don't mean you hate it, it's just your reasons are similiar probably). Because, for example, after scoring a goal, he celebrate with a body signs to rival fans meaning to shut up, or he always wants himself to score a goal within the team. He acts selfishly and doesn't seem to care about his teammates, does he? Not like that. That's his mindset, and he could never be a legend if he didn't think so. The reason he got hate is because he was successful.

This is almost the case, for example, when most people lose in a competitive environment, they do not want to accept it mentally and immediately find various unnecessary reasons and try to defame their opponent. When I say competitive environment, you don't have to be a race against him face to face, if you can't stand it even from afar, it means that he is fine and you are defenseless.

It is easy to understand such people, on the contrary, I can't stand people who always show fake smiles and are accepted as good and 'sincere' by the society. So it's not difficult to be funny and have humble attitudes and speeches, but everyone is aware of this role and it is easily done with acting. Taking on this role, I witnessed how uglier most people who are known to the society as good become in certain situations.

BetterThanAvgButNotByMuch · Mar 22, 2022

I remember that guy, I would have definitely bought that guy a beer for all the entertainment and laughs he provided back then.

There's a famous final table with him from WPT Grand Prix De Paris from like 2006 or something and he talks so much trash its hilarious. I just youtubed part of it with him heads up against Surinder Sunar and its during the 64 hand that the camera pans out to show the dealer rolling her eyes in disgust of all the talk by Tony G, lolol. That scene was priceless.

But the guy was amazing because he's doing all this chatting during the final table and not giving away information to a table of top poker professionals!!!

I haven't watched TV poker for years and years but it was really nice to see some of the folks from the poker boom went on to do something meaningful like Tony did.

DS3 · Mar 22, 2022

Al fred said:
He (Tony G) probably didn't slapped someone when he lost the game. Poker is a war, and in this war people reveal their style of play and character at the table in general. Some are naturally like that or just do it for the game. Tony G has an aggressive and oppressive personality, so he usually tries to manipulate his opponents. This is his way of attacking and need not be hated as every attack has a response as well as a defense as well as a counter attack. He wants to rule his opponents in this way, and always mentally impose his superiority on them. This is so natural and accepted psychology tactic and has nothing near to be called 'disorder' This mentality and attitude is perfectly fine to use in poker because people are fighting for their money on the table.

I passed poker, there are also such people from other fields of games and sports, such as Cristiano Ronaldo. Millions of people like you hate him for excuses just like that (I don't mean you hate it, it's just your reasons are similiar probably). Because, for example, after scoring a goal, he celebrate with a body signs to rival fans meaning to shut up, or he always wants himself to score a goal within the team. He acts selfishly and doesn't seem to care about his teammates, does he? Not like that. That's his mindset, and he could never be a legend if he didn't think so. The reason he got hate is because he was successful.

This is almost the case, for example, when most people lose in a competitive environment, they do not want to accept it mentally and immediately find various unnecessary reasons and try to defame their opponent. When I say competitive environment, you don't have to be a race against him face to face, if you can't stand it even from afar, it means that he is fine and you are defenseless.

It is easy to understand such people, on the contrary, I can't stand people who always show fake smiles and are accepted as good and 'sincere' by the society. So it's not difficult to be funny and have humble attitudes and speeches, but everyone is aware of this role and it is easily done with acting. Taking on this role, I witnessed how uglier most people who are known to the society as good become in certain situations.

First, a personality disorder is one defined as....an unhealthy pattern of thinking, functioning or behaving.

Tony G is the definition of this at the poker table and he does not care how he is perceived. Likewise Phil Helmuth. But, I find it odd how you back Tony G but not Phil Helmuth. One presumes you are the Tony G fanboy not so much Phil Helmuth. Which is why you object to Tony G being described 'as is' whereas you have no issue with the same description of Phil Helmuth.

Further. You then wander off and accuse me of hating Cristiano Renaldo (?) who has not been mentioned and is not as far as I am aware a poker player. That is one bizarre logic...anyone who criticizes Tony G must therefore hate Cristiano Renaldo? Seriously?

Finally, you should be aware (and less sensitive) to the concept of personality disorders as it is estimated as 10% to 13% of all adults are classified as having one. Many confuse the idea of a personality disorder as being the equivalence of 'insane'...there are not remotely the same.

AllOut · Mar 22, 2022

DS3 said:
First, a personality disorder is one defined as....an unhealthy pattern of thinking, functioning or behaving.

Tony G is the definition of this at the poker table and he does not care how he is perceived. Likewise Phil Helmuth. But, I find it odd how you back Tony G but not Phil Helmuth. One presumes you are the Tony G fanboy not so much Phil Helmuth. Which is why you object to Tony G being described 'as is' whereas you have no issue with the same description of Phil Helmuth.

Further. You then wander off and accuse me of hating Cristiano Renaldo (?) who has not been mentioned and is not as far as I am aware a poker player. That is one bizarre logic...anyone who criticizes Tony G must therefore hate Cristiano Renaldo? Seriously?

Finally, you should be aware (and less sensitive) to the concept of personality disorders as it is estimated as 10% to 13% of all adults are classified as having one. Many confuse the idea of a personality disorder as being the equivalence of 'insane'...there are not remotely the same.

I see that you answered with an unnecessary bias. There is a subject here and you are deflecting the subject and turning to me. That's just silly fallacy. Fan? I'm not a fan of any human being. Tony G is not my relative or my native. I ran the subject over him because I watched him a lot. I don't know Phil very well, but I have watched a little bit and I don't think he is in an oppressive nature. Yes, he gets angry and swears unnecessarily, but that's it. That's why I don't talk much about people and things I have not much info.
Also, as I pointed out in parentheses, I did not say that you hated Cristiano, I said that Ronaldo had similar characteristics in different sphere of game.

Yeah, yet another nonsense verbosity. Listen, I can tell madness from the other, thanks for this statistic information. What's the point related? You're saying these guys are total **** and all that. From your points, I understood that, when you meet such people in life, you run away and grumble on the sidelines.

DS3 · Mar 22, 2022

Al fred said:
I see that you answered with an unnecessary bias. There is a subject here and you are deflecting the subject and turning to me. That's just silly fallacy. Fan? I'm not a fan of any human being. Tony G is not my relative or my native. I ran the subject over him because I watched him a lot. I don't know Phil very well, but I have watched a little bit and I don't think he is in an oppressive nature. Yes, he gets angry and swears unnecessarily, but that's it. That's why I don't talk much about people and things I have not much info.
Also, as I pointed out in parentheses, I did not say that you hated Cristiano, I said that Ronaldo had similar characteristics in different sphere of game.

Yeah, yet another nonsense verbosity. Listen, I can tell madness from the other, thanks for this statistic information. What's the point related? You're saying these guys are total **** and all that. From your points, I understood that, when you meet such people in life, you run away and grumble on the sidelines.

I presume you are attempting clever with 'unnecessary bias' etc. Are you writing in English or using translation service? If it is being translated it is being done so in a clumsy fashion

I am simply answering your push back and support of Tony G. Your prerogative but, that is how forums and debates work. You offer a point of view and I offer a counter point if I disagree. Did I say you had a personality disorder? What I said was many are confused over the use of personality disorder and you would appear to be one.

As regards what you said, I'll quote you ...

Millions of people like you hate him for excuses like that (I don't mean you hate it, its just your reasons probably),

I can't even understand what you are saying in parenthesis as it does not make any sense. I then have no idea why you mentioned someone from another profession altogether to fabricate I hated him also (???).

However, I think the problem here (apart from wandering off topic) is you're beating a dead horse. No one could seriously make the argument that Tony G does not act out. Whether or not that is appealing to you is you choice, but, act out he does.

fsquid · Mar 22, 2022

Not to turn this thread, but Phil just picked on this one guy during the 8 game today. Just bullying him and continuing to talk about it the whole way through. I get the head games, but damn, I might of hit him.

playinggameswithu · Mar 22, 2022

I like Hellmuth because he is genuine. D.Negrenu is a two-faced snake off the table, never pays his taxes either. Tony G is the embodiment of business and politics and that is basically what hold'em is. Love the trash talking as pure entertainment from Tony.

AllOut · Mar 23, 2022

DS3 said:
I presume you are attempting clever with 'unnecessary bias' etc. Are you writing in English or using translation service? If it is being translated it is being done so in a clumsy fashion

I am simply answering your push back and support of Tony G. Your prerogative but, that is how forums and debates work. You offer a point of view and I offer a counter point if I disagree. Did I say you had a personality disorder? What I said was many are confused over the use of personality disorder and you would appear to be one.

As regards what you said, I'll quote you ...

Millions of people like you hate him for excuses like that (I don't mean you hate it, its just your reasons probably),

I can't even understand what you are saying in parenthesis as it does not make any sense. I then have no idea why you mentioned someone from another profession altogether to fabricate I hated him also (???).

However, I think the problem here (apart from wandering off topic) is you're beating a dead horse. No one could seriously make the argument that Tony G does not act out. Whether or not that is appealing to you is you choice, but, act out he does.

Me trying to look clever? What an adolescent approach. It's only you making long/nonsense verbosity. Now you're like ''ah no moves, I can't find anything, let me judge him because he don't have perfect English''. That's inappropriate of you seeking perfect language from foreigner, I'm not native, this is my best. However, you clearly knew what I meant and I'm being perfectly laconic here. Recommending you to be so and don't deviate topic.

Again you raise it. Listen, not sure if you have a comprehension problem or you're doing it at purpose. I said they both have similiar characteristics and people like you hate them for the same reasons.

hilary antonik filho · Mar 23, 2022

I fully agree with you, but also despite the cons, he is trying to help

amilcarjt89 · Mar 23, 2022

to be the best you don't have to please everyone

it's like the messi vs cristianno ronaldo comparisons many hate those players who are fans but they know they are the best in the world.

manzanillo53 · Mar 23, 2022

Tony G is a good poker player, I have never liked his table manners, very rude but remember it is poker and you do what you can to get the advantage. As far as I know he has always been charitable so this is not surprising. As far as being charitable all wealthy people do it just to avoid taxes, so it actually helps them financially to be giving. What Tony G´s motives are, I do not know, so lets give him praise for being generous.

Joe1 · Mar 23, 2022

Tony G was one of the first poker players I saw playing poker, for me a friendly person with a lot of poker skills

DS3 · Mar 23, 2022

Al fred said:
Me trying to look clever? What an adolescent approach. It's only you making long/nonsense verbosity. Now you're like ''ah no moves, I can't find anything, let me judge him because he don't have perfect English''. That's inappropriate of you seeking perfect language from foreigner, I'm not native, this is my best. However, you clearly knew what I meant and I'm being perfectly laconic here. Recommending you to be so and don't deviate topic.

Again you raise it. Listen, not sure if you have a comprehension problem or you're doing it at purpose. I said they both have similiar characteristics and people like you hate them for the same reasons.

You are trying too hard and believe your English is beyond criticism. It isn't, and you are overly sensitive about the idea. Which is why I posed you might be better off using a translation service (at least you could double check yourself) if attempting a serious debate.

As regards my 'ah no moves...' (which again is not clear English) I am quoting you back to yourself. The matter was concerning Tony G who obviously does have a personality disorder. It matters not a jot whether you personally find it entertaining or annoying. The silly assumption I hated other people because they are successful or ambitious was you venturing off on a silly tangent. Nonetheless you still lack self-awareness...

Recommending you to be so and don't deviate topic.

Run that through a decent translation App or ask a fluent English speaker how many mistakes are in that one sentence. CC has translation services available and there are many contributors who speak no English yet post through such services in perfect English.

AllOut · Mar 23, 2022

DS3 said:
You are trying too hard and believe your English is beyond criticism. It isn't, and you are overly sensitive about the idea. Which is why I posed you might be better off using a translation service (at least you could double check yourself) if attempting a serious debate.

As regards my 'ah no moves...' (which again is not clear English) I am quoting you back to yourself. The matter was concerning Tony G who obviously does have a personality disorder. It matters not a jot whether you personally find it entertaining or annoying. The silly assumption I hated other people because they are successful or ambitious was you venturing off on a silly tangent. Nonetheless you still lack self-awareness...

Recommending you to be so and don't deviate topic.

Run that through a decent translation app or ask a fluent English speaker how many mistakes are in that one sentence. CC has translation services available and there are many contributors who speak no English yet post through such services in perfect English.

You're getting very funny, mister. Am I talking to an English language teacher?
I speak plainly, I do not need orphographic perfection or sophistication.

Listen, the point is you openly disrespected these people, Phil and Tony G. You don't expect everyone to approve it right? An insult directed to two great players of poker history.

DS3 said:
Tony G is different because obviously he is a complete ****

Yet you try to cover it up with these ridicilous diversions. Better accept your mistake, and don't attack me with irrelevant topics. I don't need your advice.

Your grammar is good, but you seem to have a problem understanding the depth of sentences. "I got no moves" is well known phrase used in game of chess - meaning kind of ''I'm trapped, I'm drowning''. See, you learnt something new today

DS3 · Mar 24, 2022

Al fred said:
You're getting very funny, mister. Am I talking to an English language teacher?
I speak plainly, I do not need orphographic perfection or sophistication.

Listen, the point is you openly disrespected these people, Phil and Tony G. You don't expect everyone to approve it right? An insult directed to two great players of poker history.

Yet you try to cover it up with these ridicilous diversions. Better accept your mistake, and don't attack me with irrelevant topics. I don't need your advice.

Your grammar is good, but you seem to have a problem understanding the depth of sentences. "I got no moves" is well known phrase used in game of chess - meaning kind of ''I'm trapped, I'm drowning''. See, you learnt something new today

Good grief.

dreamer13 · Mar 24, 2022

His real name is Antanas Guoga.A native of Lithuania, the founder of the Lithuanian Poker Federation,he is my countryman and a wonderful person.

I can't stand the guy but it's good to see Tony G making some humanitarian efforts

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