All-in with AA, KK, QQ when not to?

lalinha · Sep 4, 2022

It is very frustrating to lose an all-in with hands like AA, KK, QQ. But is it really just bad luck? Or a wrong move?

For example, I went to the final table in a sat, and I had only 3, and it was only 2 tickets, the chipleader pushed all-in and I had QQ and I folded a lot against my will, but I still had a lot of chips, nothing desperate , then calmly opening the flop, seeing the best options, I won the ticket, and I didn't regret folding the All-in.

What do you think about it? Have you folded these hands yet? and what to take into account to fold? or maybe not even going all-in to begin with?

TeUnit · Sep 4, 2022

There are times especially in a satty where you want to fold AA. Lets say the satty pays the top 5 players each a $10 tourney entry, and there are 6 players left, and you are in 2nd place, with 2 very short stacks at the table, there is no reason to risk your tourney life with AA when you can just coast to the money. In this situation you have the most to lose, the chip leader has you covered and you do not get paid any more for 1st than you do for 5th.

Baldy86 · Sep 4, 2022

if you had a lot more chips than him then i would have called with QQ

but in general folding there is not bad since you are on the bubble

RustyRed83 · Sep 4, 2022

Bubble or not, folding QQ with chip still behind you, is bad play. Thankfully, you made the right decision. There are only 2 pre-flop hands that are better. 3 handed QQ is an insta call.

kunkgreen · Sep 4, 2022

In poker, patience is a virtue...
Sometimes it's better to give up a winning hand so you don't risk being left with nothing.

Depends on chip leader status too!
On the other side, if you face a very passive table it will always pay off to be aggressive.
Aggression will always be a success factor, but sometimes we need to stay soft! haha

It wasn't once or twice or three times that I was about to win the tickets with a lot of chips, and suddenly I was struggling to get to the rank that was previously guaranteed just by doing nothing. (hands like -> AA, KK, AKs...).

I got tickets yesterday, and today one with 550 participants with LOTS of patience!
...and swallowed a lot of frogs, which I managed!
So, assess the situation, it's not always worth going to showdown, even with better hands.

If the goals are tickets, come last but get them.

Gritz18 · Sep 4, 2022

lalinha said:
For example, I went to the final table in a sat, and I had only 3, and it was only 2 tickets, the chipleader pushed all-in and I had QQ and I folded a lot against my will, but I still had a lot of chips, nothing desperate , then calmly opening the flop, seeing the best options, I won the ticket, and I didn't regret folding the All-in.

I think that in this specific case, you folded well for ICM, so much so that you got the ticket.
But in other situations, you should make an assessment of how the villains are playing.
Today in a CC freeroll, I folded a QQ, I opened a normal 2.2bb reraise and got called by three villains, and on the flop one of the cards that came was an A, one of the villains already donkeybetted and another called, when the action got to me and I folded because I knew my pair of QQ was no good, and really at Showdown, one villain showed A9 and the other A5.

zipocool · Sep 4, 2022

lalinha said:
It is very frustrating to lose an all-in with hands like AA, KK, QQ. But is it really just bad luck? Or a wrong move?

For example, I went to the final table in a sat, and I had only 3, and it was only 2 tickets, the chipleader pushed all-in and I had QQ and I folded a lot against my will, but I still had a lot of chips, nothing desperate , then calmly opening the flop, seeing the best options, I won the ticket, and I didn't regret folding the All-in.

What do you think about it? Have you folded these hands yet? and what to take into account to fold? or maybe not even going all-in to begin with?

Premium hands in the satellite fold easily if you have a passing stack, especially on the bubble, they should only be played if you need to double up and without it there is no way to get into the prize zone

redboy23 · Sep 4, 2022

lalinha said:
It is very frustrating to lose an all-in with hands like AA, KK, QQ. But is it really just bad luck? Or a wrong move?

For example, I went to the final table in a sat, and I had only 3, and it was only 2 tickets, the chipleader pushed all-in and I had QQ and I folded a lot against my will, but I still had a lot of chips, nothing desperate , then calmly opening the flop, seeing the best options, I won the ticket, and I didn't regret folding the All-in.

What do you think about it? Have you folded these hands yet? and what to take into account to fold? or maybe not even going all-in to begin with?

Recently, I have taken the stance to fold AK, TT-KK to villain's shove pre-flop, anytime I am not short-stacked and cannot afford to bust out. If I can see a flop and pair or catch a very strong draw, then I play them accordingly. There are enough scars in my mind to last a lifetime because of the bust-outs after shoving those big pairs. The worst is first to be busted out holding AA in a big tourney that I wanted to go play well!

We are at the mercy of the community and our hole cards are just a start and nothing else - they can be reduced to nothing on any given hand. Information is power and the more you have, the better your chances.

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Congrats on your restraint - it is not easy to click fold with a huge starting facing a shove pre-flop.

Ruslan L · Sep 5, 2022

It all depends on the situation, but in my opinion, with such strong cards, it is necessary to play aggressively.

fundiver199 · Sep 5, 2022

A satellite bubble is a very special thing, but its impossible to determine the correct line of action without knowing the stack sizes of all players. Depending on that QQ as the mid-stack can be an open shove, a raise-call or a raise-fold. As a general comment though, if you can only call a rejam with KK+, you are probably better off playing push-fold to take the play away from the chip leader.

June4Spades · Sep 5, 2022

QQ is risky. I would go all-in when I am desperate, otherwise not. I think to have a pair on the hand is tempting, but AK (even non-suited) would have better odds than QQ.

afecho · Sep 5, 2022

Preflop I’d be calling that all-in every time with those high pairs. Post flop with your QQ example I would likely end up folding if there was an A or K on the table. It’s so hard to walk away from those cards sometimes though!!

Gallarado777 · Sep 5, 2022

I think you should always go all-in with these cards

dregan · Sep 5, 2022

For pocket AA and KK, I think there are cases for resetting and there are very few of them. This is the closeness of getting a ticket, or when several players went all-in in front of you in an important tournament. With a couple of QQs, I go a lot less frequently. It all depends where I play.

darkvick · Sep 5, 2022

Hello dear, I guess in these situations (all in pre flop at bubble) you may fold until AA, mainly if it is a satellite. You must to prioritize the actions of the opponents instead of the cards only.

Good luck!!

Cyclguy · Sep 5, 2022

First tourney ever played I get AA and raise, we keep raising each other until both all in. He had KK the board comes out with 4 diamonds, he has a diamond I do not so I lose, first hand. Any hand can lose at any time, but statistically it is best to play those hands when you get them, they are rare.

HungarianBoy · Sep 5, 2022

In a big money poker tournament, I don't recommend pushing all your chips in with these hands at all, especially if you're on the bubble, but it depends on a lot of things. such as what position you are in. how they will act behind you. But if you have a large enough amount of chips. and no one raised him. then feel free to put all your chips in the middle.me KK QQ. I always look at the first 3 cards. I will check it and at most only after that if A is not listed. Then I raise all my chips.

Jantorres888 · Sep 5, 2022

lalinha said:
It is very frustrating to lose all-in with hands like AA, KK, QQ. But is it really just bad luck? Or is it the wrong move?

For example, I went to the final table in the sata and I had only 3 and had only 2 tickets, the chipleader went all-in and I had QQ and I dropped a lot against my will, but I still had a lot of chips, nothing desperate, then quietly opening the flop, seeing the best options, I won a ticket, and I didn't regret dropping all-in.

What do you think about this? Have you thrown off these hands yet? and what to consider to throw off? Or maybe not even go all-in from the start?

If you did win a ticket, then you did the right thing. And if we lost with QQ, we would have to work on the mistakes) This is poker)))

Jantorres888 · Sep 5, 2022

darkvick said:
Hi darling, I think in situations like this (all preflop and bubble) you can fold to AA, mostly if it's a satellite. You must prioritize the actions of your opponents, not just cards.

Good luck!!

I think it's a way to do it. Not always, because the blinds at the final tables are very big and you can't wait for the prize money.

Recreationalplayer · Sep 8, 2022

lalinha said:
It is very frustrating to lose an all-in with hands like AA, KK, QQ. But is it really just bad luck? Or a wrong move?

For example, I went to the final table in a sat, and I had only 3, and it was only 2 tickets, the chipleader pushed all-in and I had QQ and I folded a lot against my will, but I still had a lot of chips, nothing desperate , then calmly opening the flop, seeing the best options, I won the ticket, and I didn't regret folding the All-in.

What do you think about it? Have you folded these hands yet? and what to take into account to fold? or maybe not even going all-in to begin with?

In Tournaments, ranges change a lot due to ICM. So there are times when you fold premium hands like AA - QQ

pltelles · Sep 8, 2022

on the bubble I already folded with AA

Igor Popadyk · Sep 9, 2022

it's poker and variance. you can't guarantee winning the hand with a top pair preflop

P86 · Sep 10, 2022

In a satty where u know u have a chip advantage against the last player before the ticket it's ok to fold to the chipleader in an MTT it's a must call

rucucu16 · Sep 13, 2022

I think it depends on the situation you find yourself in. In my opinion, due to the situation you were in, it was a good decision.

Leandro6803 · Sep 14, 2022

knowing when to fold a hand is a virtue of good players, you made the best decision when you needed to.

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