Collin Moshman - Sit 'n Go Strategy study group

basse said:

I think I'm still in the learning phase with playing middle pairs strongly. My two biggest weaknesses seem to be that, and then on the other hand playing too timidly because I worry that I'm too loose.

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NoWuckingFurries said:

One of the changes that I noticed when I moved from 9 player $1 SNGs to 9 player $2.25 SNGs was the way that 88, 99 and TT are played, especially in the early stages. Players are far more likely to limp with them at the $2.25 level whereas people tend to play them much more as if they are a premium hand at the $1 level and are often quite happy to 3-bet shove with them pre-flop.

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scooba13 said:

Either way of playing medium pairs (too strong or too weak) is suboptimal, especially at low/medium blinds. The too strong way (label OMPP for Overplays Medium Pocket Pairs) is going to run into a bigger pair or called by overcards that outdraw the hand. The too weak way (label LMPP for Limps Medium Pocket Pairs) just turns the hand face up - it tells other players you don't have a hand you feel like raising with so you'll get raised off (especially out of position) on a lot of textures where it's unlikely you hit your set. If you like to limp medium hands you need to balance it with limping with strong hands to catch the players that try to exploit you - the problem then is that you will be playing these strong hands sub optimally.

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NoWuckingFurries said:

You might possibly be giving microstakes players too much credit for how much they are analaysing the play of their opponents. One of the big, big tells in my online play, to my mind at least, is that I open minraise AA and KK, whereas my standard open raise is 2.5 big blinds or - if a lot of people have limped before me - a raise bigger than 2.5 big blinds which is based on how many people have limped before me. It is very, very rare for me to minraise, so in my mind me minraising is a big red warning sign to opponents:

"Watch out, he has a monster hand!!"

It's still surprising to me just how many microstakes players, even those that I have played hundreds of hands against, either call my minraise or shove over me with ATo or something similarly marginal.

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scooba13 said:

Why not open raise your monsters the same as everything else you open?

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NoWuckingFurries said:

You might possibly be giving microstakes players too much credit for how much they are analaysing the play of their opponents. One of the big, big tells in my online play, to my mind at least, is that I open minraise AA and KK, whereas my standard open raise is 2.5 big blinds or - if a lot of people have limped before me - a raise bigger than 2.5 big blinds which is based on how many people have limped before me. It is very, very rare for me to minraise, so in my mind me minraising is a big red warning sign to opponents:

"Watch out, he has a monster hand!!"

It's still surprising to me just how many microstakes players, even those that I have played hundreds of hands against, either call my minraise or shove over me with ATo or something similarly marginal.

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LD1977 said:

I am primarily a cash player but have the book and love it (+ I gifted one copy to a friend).

Question for Colin:
I am not sure about proper use of HUD in SnGs, reason being that proper strategy changes a lot depending on size of blinds - meaning unlike cash games (where bigger sample = better) there is a problem regarding quality of data.

To clarify: Lets say I have played 200 hands vs 2 regular players (who play identical game), in one set of those one of us usually went out early and in other set we both went deep - the data will probably show the 1st guy to be MUCH tighter than the 2nd even though they play identical strategy (tight early, looser and more aggro later).

How do you use the HUD to give you a proper idea of someone's actual play?

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