LIMP or NO LIMP

Vorem · Jul 3, 2019

I never limp. This is a passive and weak line of the game. Sometimes I do an over-limp on sb with a small pair or connector

AlexBlefer · Jul 10, 2019

KristaK said:
hi hi
is so experienced poker players here… please comments

i been study poker hard now 13 months
i learned … from the best in the world (have all their books, courses, videos, blogs)…
hardly ever you LIMP, yikes that sacrilege…

first in … you generally RAISE or FOLD only preflop
“Krista”, my coach implies to me, “ever you limp first in… a poker god will send immediate lightening bolt”
ZAP… is a fried, crispy krista - yikes

recently in Doug Polk and SKYs classes i see… preflop Limps!!!
in certain circumstances

please please serious comments on this strategy, i puzzled girl

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Krista
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Hey Krista, thanx for support

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gatinhoAK12 · Jul 10, 2019

Limp never !!! This is my point of view (note that it is without dogma), but in general, limp NEVER, is always in position, be aggressive and always getting the maximum amount of information from opponents. If you pay a poker hand, what for? See the flop? I always go in for the villain to fold or win the cards, and at worst I fold. It has a lot of good opinion above, but this is my point of view. Have a nice day.

Riversalmon · Jul 10, 2019

I used to limp alot, but lately I've been sharpening up my skills on what's to do and not to do. I've limped monster hands before and got screwed on the river way to often lol

Poker_Mike · Jul 10, 2019

Debi said:
Online - I rarely open limp except in CC games - but will call a limp
Live - Pretty much the same except I wouldn't open limp from early position ever - unless others are getting away with it regularly on a specific table

I have heard never open limp loads of times - but can't tell you how often I have seen pros and experienced players do it live.

They are generally limping and calling a LP raise because they have sub-premium hands. So sometimes you can limp w KJ or AT and see a flop.

But please please have a plan....so important. Just see a flop and see if you hit it? Bad idea.

But 5-way pot and flop the stone-cold nuts......that can be profitable!

Good luck !

darpblog · Jul 14, 2019

In tournaments, poker pros have a limping range for situations with smaller stacks. I f you have been studying poker, then you know you have a calling range and a betting range, and a 3bet range etc. Well, very experienced players add a limping range, (this is only for tournaments, and it comes up in very specific situations), this is something that they have studied, and are not doing it off a whim. Add this to your repertoire only if you have studied. Generally an inexperienced player shouldn't do it, as it adds more decisions.

Additionally if you ever see pros limping in a cash game, they usually are against a fish, and are using the information they have, to play .very exploitatively... sometimes....other times they are just being silly.

TravelerLloyd · Jul 14, 2019

I try not to ever limp, if I do, I hit the wrong button, most of the time my problem is how much I want to raise.

I follow the movie rounders to the T, I am in there betting and raising, putting them to a decision and most of the time for all of their chips. "I aint got time to go slow, I am trying to grow!"

i want to make them loose their minds and go on tilt so I can win even more money and chips from them. "Thats why the only pure game is NO LIMIT HOLD EM!" I wont play anything else!

darpblog said:
In tournaments, poker pros have a limping range for situations with smaller stacks. I f you have been studying poker, then you know you have a calling range and a betting range, and a 3bet range etc. Well, very experienced players add a limping range, (this is only for tournaments, and it comes up in very specific situations), this is something that they have studied, and are not doing it off a whim. Add this to your repertoire only if you have studied. Generally an inexperienced player shouldn't do it, as it adds more decisions.

Additionally if you ever see pros limping in a cash game, they usually are against a fish, and are using the information they have, to play .very exploitatively... sometimes....other times they are just being silly.

Bluffzone68 · Jul 14, 2019

Hi
First of all we need to differentiate between a "limp" and "just call".

A limp is when you just call a hand that would normally be raised.

So Limping is a part of playing poker.

Its just a style of poker you play.

Like most say the best position to limp is when you are the first or second to act such that UTG-1 or UTG-2.
At times there are situations where you have a A10 or AJ or even AQ and you will need to limp in to see a flop.

Personally I do limp and am sure a lot of others also do it.

crimsonshroud88 · Jul 14, 2019

I wil agree with Darpblog. When you are in a certain stage of a tournament and ICM pressure is there, your stack size and your opponents are basically forcing you to play a particular strategy which includes open limping from a late position for example. However, this will work (in a sense that people consider it to be theoretically a more optimal play) only if one knows why and how this should be done.

Bottom line is, as a general rule, it’s better not to get into the depths of limping strategy until it’s really essential to be pushing for any, even some tiny edge you possibly can achieve.

Rumengh · Jul 15, 2019

Limp

I had read somewhere that serious players never limp

. I think that's a little extreme in some situations there is nothing wrong to do if they raise to pay and super hit on the flop to make you a decent stack with which to win the tournament

Glev Jr · Jul 15, 2019

Limp and win. Any path that leads to victory is right

recerveau · Jul 15, 2019

There is no exact rule about any strategy, it depends on the value your action has on the table. If you looked at the situation and saw an advantage in using limp, use it!

TravelerLloyd · Jul 18, 2019

My new Limpo is 3x BB, if you want to limp like that then by all means do so, otherwise that is where the new blind is starting to get a look at the flop then we can decide from there get it on.

I am tired of those guys seeing the flop and limping with 54s and hitting something, after they pay from all of those misses it will even out over time or either they will be behind and I will be ahead!

KristaK · Jul 18, 2019

Debi said:
Online - I rarely open limp except in CC games - but will call a limp
Live - Pretty much the same except I wouldn't open limp from early position ever - unless others are getting away with it regularly on a specific table
I have heard never open limp loads of times - but can't tell you how often I have seen pros and experienced players do it live.

hi hi
is so many experienced & talented poker players here in CardsChat, excellent comments & advice, thank you so much everyone
what Debi say yes yes!
i purchase their courses, study their advice in videos & blogs...
then i see - the poker pro on TV, youtube or streaming, often NOT do what they teach *sighs* specially on huge buy-in events
suppose that most things are situation dependent... intuition & reads have much influence?

foran · Jul 19, 2019

with the experience you learn that the limp is only used in special moments, Example 1 would be 10cg there are several aggressive players give me AA I know if I make a limp, it makes me ROL or sends me allin. Example 2 I would be in button I have jqs it comes clean I know that if I open cg it makes me raise and it puts me in a difficult situation so I make limp so that if it makes me ROL to have controlled the boat.

nameless1537 · Jul 20, 2019

Bluffzone68 said:
Hi
First of all we need to differentiate between a "limp" and "just call".

A limp is when you just call a hand that would normally be raised.

Interesting differentiation - I’ve never seen this differentiation. I’ve only seen people write limping in term of calling the minimum to see a flop, including a call on a raise.

For me, limping is calling BB from any position. Personally, I limp in early rounds with speculative hands - suited connectors, low pairs, etc where the blinds are super cheap relative to the stack. And if I flop a potential for a larger hand, i hope to make players pay. But I fold to many bets on flop unless I get the hand I’m looking for...

After a couple of levels, I stop with that nonsense and play typical tight style where it’s only raise / fold. I’d go longer with this if it’s a deep stacks tournament. For me, it just keeps initial rounds interesting.

This is my intention going in. But it changes according to table dynamics. If it’s a super tight table, then I might bet more on the flop. If it’s a super loose table, I might have higher requirements to limp.

Personally, I like this as my table image shifts over time and it can keep people guessing.

Is this a bad strategy? I guess we will see...

vnnby · Jul 21, 2019

The biggest advantage of always raising pre-flop is that it allows you to pick up the blinds and perhaps the antes uncontested. This is a big win. Poker isn't about seeing flops and hitting hands, it is about getting chips. Raising puts you into a position to do so. Another advantage of raising pre-flop is that you can put your opponent on more specific ranges. If you raise pre-flop, your opponents have to be tighter calling and 3-betting, than if you had limped. Furthermore, raising allows you to play bigger pots with your premium hands. And last but not least, this is a balanced strategy. You will be raising with both your very good and marginal hands, making it tougher to play against you.

dolphaus · Jul 31, 2019

wsbar said:
Every strategy depends on the timing of the game, size of stacks, position on the table, the cards of your hand, against which player you are going to face, the player is more passive or is aggressive. There will be times when it will be very profitable for you to get limp with AA, but at certain times it will be profitable for you to be aggressive with 45s, although some players criticize limp, it can be used in certain situations.

Limp with AA, huh, my favourite trap for my opponents

fickleberry · Aug 1, 2019

The thing is, you can't say "limping is wrong" because you can't play poker with a formula. In some situations limping is a brilliant move; for instance when you are in the late stages, the blinds and antes are really valuable and you have been extremely aggressive, raising a bunch of pots, and you feel the table is starting to play back at you.

Now, when you suddenly limp (with suited connectors, one gappers, K9s, etc), then you will most certainly cause a panic. "Why is he suddenly limping?" "He wants us to raise!11". You will often get the blinds without any resistance.

This is an overs-simplified example, just to illustrate that basically... it all depends.

jmateuspoker · Aug 1, 2019

It depends on several factors

Go to them if you're in a tournament where there are high chances of winning the blinds and you do not want to lose stack that is playing cautiously you should play limp

Limp expecting a raise to re raise and an interesting factor

When we play the cards of LIMP lose the strength to gain eg LIMP AA gives you the chance of big blind play with 3:06 and make two pair and you lose then you need play according to the strength of your hand

mateuspoker

TeUnit · Aug 1, 2019

I think it really depends on stack depth, at early blind levels its often great to limp things like small pocket pairs in early position, but when stack depths are 15bbs you dont really want to be limping. I remember Collin Moshman used to refer to people who like to limp with high blinds as High Blind Limpers or HBLs and these were great people to attack their limps.

Das4ever · Aug 11, 2019

Most of the time I limp with premium hands like AA but that’s it basically

pepsilv · Aug 11, 2019

To me limping is no good but still have to learn when to limp and when to raise. Limp is mostly used when you got your opponent covered and you know he is very aggressive.

thwenth1983 · Aug 12, 2019

limp or not limp

In poker the word you will hear the most after a question is depend, limp can be a good joaga, it depends on who you are linp against.
I played a sit go with 90 players, me in the small bland against a very tight player, in the bid bland, me with villain's AA vs K7o, I knew that with my raise the villain will fold so I limp, flop 7 K 3 in the 40-chip pot I bet 50% villain raises to 100 chips, at that moment I know villain has two pair or three of my paid AA and turn doubles, 50% bet and villain goes All in, I wondered if the villain flopped on the turn and made full house, but would not have logic with full go All in on the turn, I thought the villain has K7 in hand I paid all in and was not surprised villain with two pair k7 and with doubled the 3, I won because I made two pairs with AA 33.
I consider it the best hand I've played to date with perfect opponent and range readiness.
And if it wasn't limp, I wouldn't have doubled my stack.
But if I have a strong hand at the beginning of the table UTG, UTG + 1, MP + 1, raise always.

Debi · Aug 12, 2019

KristaK said:
hi hi
is so many experienced & talented poker players here in CardsChat, excellent comments & advice, thank you so much everyone
what Debi say yes yes!
i purchase their courses, study their advice in videos & blogs...
then i see - the poker pro on TV, youtube or streaming, often NOT do what they teach *sighs* specially on huge buy-in events
suppose that most things are situation dependent... intuition & reads have much influence?

It is crucial to always be specific about whether we are discussing limping behind or open limping.

Limping behind is more common and nobody will ever tell you to never do that. Just don't always be the one who only calls and never raises.

Open limping is what they will say to never do - and then confuse you by doing it themselves. I think the reason for that is that it is something they will ALMOST never do - and the situation has to be so specific that they won't teach it.

I have found myself at live tables where there is so much open limping that occasionally I will do it myself - if for no other reason then to not set myself too far apart from the table of inexperienced players who do it often. I also find it beneficial to make a few inexperienced plays early in a game when there are 1 or 2 strong players on the table - it really depends on the table.

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