Skills vs Luck in MTTs

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Hi Community,
by MTTs are skills very important but i see players playing very bad hands and having a lot of luck.
Here is the question skills vs luck?
At the end which one is most important.
 
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the answer to this kind of questioning is always VOLUME! hehehe

The more hands/tournaments you play. the less influence of luck you will face. But pay close attention to what is really luck and what is bad decision on your side, or both perfect game facing the odds.

To avoid tilt, when the villain has "luck" on me, I review the hand thinking, how would I play in his position. If the answer is yes, that's no luck, just a good decision. I also run the hand in gto wizard, if the solver says to play that way, then ok again.
 
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I wouldn't contrast Skill and Luck.
In any hand, both matter. And since the cards are dealt to the table automatically or by the dealer's hands and are always out of our control, then decision making is our skill, and the outcome on the river depends on how well the cards fall for us.
Here's an example from a tournament I'm playing now.
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With 10bb and a pair of jacks, I went all-in.
Not a good decision in early position...
Well, two people called me.
After seeing their cards, I realized that I was an underdog in this hand and was about to be eliminated from the tournament... The river changed everything in my favor - the luck factor came into play.
 
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ART-Poker said:
Here is the question skills vs luck?
At the end which one is most important.

Without skill, luck can only take you so far. Without luck, you don't get anywhere no matter how skilled you are. Fortunately luck and skill are both not all or nothing attributes. In the long term, try to maximize your skills.
 
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ART-Poker said:
Hi Community,
by MTTs are skills very important but i see players playing very bad hands and having a lot of luck.
Here is the question skills vs luck?
At the end which one is most important.
Definitively having good skills is what it matters. Skill is compensated long term.
 
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ART-Poker said:
Hi Community,
by MTTs are skills very important but i see players playing very bad hands and having a lot of luck.
Here is the question skills vs luck?
At the end which one is most important.
Skills and patience are very important.
For some people, luck and superstition are fundamental.
I believe that there are short periods that we all go through where luck happens.
 
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ART-Poker said:
Hi Community,
by MTTs are skills very important but i see players playing very bad hands and having a lot of luck.
Here is the question skills vs luck?
At the end which one is most important.
In general, I think 70% skills and 30% luck, for experienced players. For beginners or professionals, this percentage will be different. And I definitely believe that the higher the skill level of a player, the better it affects his luck.
 
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IRINA70 said:
I wouldn't contrast Skill and Luck.
In any hand, both matter. And since the cards are dealt to the table automatically or by the dealer's hands and are always out of our control, then decision making is our skill, and the outcome on the river depends on how well the cards fall for us.
Here's an example from a tournament I'm playing now.
View attachment 384183

With 10bb and a pair of jacks, I went all-in.
Not a good decision in early position...
Well, two people called me.
After seeing their cards, I realized that I was an underdog in this hand and was about to be eliminated from the tournament... The river changed everything in my favor - the luck factor came into play.
Going all in with 10BBs with JJ is a good decision, it’s the right play.
 
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Poker skills are definitely necessary, but you can't achieve anything without luck, and luck alone won't get you far in poker.
 
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NKGB13 said:
the answer to this kind of questioning is always VOLUME! hehehe

The more hands/tournaments you play. the less influence of luck you will face. But pay close attention to what is really luck and what is bad decision on your side, or both perfect game facing the odds.

To avoid tilt, when the villain has "luck" on me, I review the hand thinking, how would I play in his position. If the answer is yes, that's no luck, just a good decision. I also run the hand in gto wizard, if the solver says to play that way, then ok again.
Thank you for your time and answer
 
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NKGB13 said:
the answer to this kind of questioning is always VOLUME! hehehe

The more hands/tournaments you play. the less influence of luck you will face. But pay close attention to what is really luck and what is bad decision on your side, or both perfect game facing the odds.

To avoid tilt, when the villain has "luck" on me, I review the hand thinking, how would I play in his position. If the answer is yes, that's no luck, just a good decision. I also run the hand in gto wizard, if the solver says to play that way, then ok again.
Thank you for your time and answer
 
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They are often lucky, yes, but if you search for them on sharkscope you will see that their luck is -$. Poker always gives returns to those who are the best players!
 
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IRINA70 said:
I wouldn't contrast Skill and Luck.
In any hand, both matter. And since the cards are dealt to the table automatically or by the dealer's hands and are always out of our control, then decision making is our skill, and the outcome on the river depends on how well the cards fall for us.
Here's an example from a tournament I'm playing now.
View attachment 384183

With 10bb and a pair of jacks, I went all-in.
Not a good decision in early position...
Well, two people called me.
After seeing their cards, I realized that I was an underdog in this hand and was about to be eliminated from the tournament... The river changed everything in my favor - the luck factor came into play.
Hi Irina, Thank you for your time and answer.
It was an Amazing Hand and Luck ..
thanks for sharing with me, us
 
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puzzlefish said:
Without skill, luck can only take you so far. Without luck, you don't get anywhere no matter how skilled you are. Fortunately luck and skill are both not all or nothing attributes. In the long term, try to maximize your skills.
Thank you for your time and answer
 
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Could you please state the blind structure and the number of big blinds each player had preflop - I am not a mathematician and would like this info.
 
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I think 70% time depending on skill 30% luck but when you depending luck you cant win 1st prize in MTT
 
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Unfortunately, luck is what makes you come out of the party well.I experience that in every competition.Skill and experience come first in live competitions
 
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There will be no luck without playing skills.
 
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It should be obvious, that luck dominate completely in the short term but become less important, and you play more hands or games. It can actually be calculated mathematically, what the chance is of running X or Y above/below expectations.
 
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Both will always be present, but more important are your skills, your knowledge and your playing experience. It is true that luck often has a lot of influence, but it also depends on whether you know how to use your knowledge and experience. What happens is that we often say how unlucky I was or how lucky that player is. I think that we can often confuse when a person wins by luck and not by their skills.
 
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ART-Poker said:
Hi Community,
by MTTs are skills very important but i see players playing very bad hands and having a lot of luck.
Here is the question skills vs luck?
At the end which one is most important.
Hello :)
I think your skills are more important. Skills are a factor that you can at least improve. But luck, which is certainly very important, probably does not depend much on you personally, and therefore we draw the appropriate conclusions. I think skills will be more important than luck.
 
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Everything is cyclical, sometimes you play well, luck is also on your side, and sometimes the line goes and the others always move, you collect the set, open the straight on the turn and the river comes, or the king has a flush on the queen, and the opponent has a flush on the king... Luck is an important factor in this game.
 
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Skills are certainly more important, but this is only visible in the long term. In the short term, a heavy downswing may occur.
 
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IRINA70 said:
I wouldn't contrast Skill and Luck.
In any hand, both matter. And since the cards are dealt to the table automatically or by the dealer's hands and are always out of our control, then decision making is our skill, and the outcome on the river depends on how well the cards fall for us.
Here's an example from a tournament I'm playing now.
View attachment 384183

With 10bb and a pair of jacks, I went all-in.
Not a good decision in early position...
Well, two people called me.
After seeing their cards, I realized that I was an underdog in this hand and was about to be eliminated from the tournament... The river changed everything in my favor - the luck factor came into play.

Not a good decision in this hand ONLY. Overall with only 10bb I'm getting it in no matter what position I'm in. You're not gonna get a better hand before you're blinded out. In this hand you were just unlucky to run into KK and AA. Which is very unlikely. You got lucky and ended up with a flush.

You didn't play this hand bad. You were just unlucky to run into KK and AA. Shove here every time.

Cheers!!!
 
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