$10 NL HE 6-max: 76s vs 4bet IP

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Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Stakes

$.05/$.10

Table Format

6-max (6 seats)

Currency

$

partypoker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 4 players
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UTG: $25.99 (260 bb)
BU (Hero): $10.21 (102 bb)
SB: $10.23 (102 bb)
BB: $11.68 (117 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 7♥ 6♥
UTG raises to $0.20, Hero 3-bets to $0.75, 2 players fold, UTG 4-bets to $1.50, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.15) A♠ 7♣ 7♠ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($3.15) Q♣ (2 players)
UTG bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25

River: ($7.65) 9♥ (2 players)
UTG bets $3.63, Hero raises to $6.46 (all-in), UTG calls $2.83

The player in the CO is a big fish and he overplayed some hands before and raised pretty wide. I bluff 3betted this spot in position and hope to find a fold. He 4betted small and I called this hand because I am IP, 76s has a good playabillity and villain is weak. The call is pretty close I think. I flopped trips villain checked, I checked behind. Would a small raise, maybe 1/3 pot be better? On the turn villain bet and I called to keep all his bluffs in. On the river he betted again and I reshoved all in. Is it better to call here or is the jam ok? What is your line. Thank you for your help.

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
3-betting is fine, but you can also just call and use your position postflop. When you face a small 4-bet, I think, its fine to call in position.

Flop
Obviously a great flop for you. Since he 4-bet preflop, its very unlikely, he has a 7 in his hand, and there is also just one more left in the deck. So you only lose to aces full, which he might play like this as a slowplay. However there are only 3 combos of AA, but there are 12 combos of QQ-KK, which might check for pot control, and I want to start getting some value from those now.

So I would make a small bet here like maybe $1 into the pot of $3.15. I dont think, this is a good time to slowplay. The purpose of slowplaying is to allow the opponent to either bluff or catch up. But he is not going to turn QQ or KK into a bluff, and if those hands improve, they will beat you. Because of preflop he is unlikely to show up with a hand like KQ/KJ/QJ, which could potentially bluff or improve to second pair and then pay off a bet or two.

Turn
As played you have a clear call here. But going back to, what I already wrote, what are you actually beating, that would play like this? Does AK or AQ 4-bet small preflop out of position and then check a A high flop? Maybe. And thats kind of, what you have to hope, he has, because you lose to QQ now, and KK would most likely check again or bet very small.

River
I dont think, folding is an option, because we are getting better than 3:1, so we only need to be good 25% of the time to call, and we cant say, his entire range is just boats. So the choise is between calling and jamming. I dont think, he is folding any hand, that bet for value, when he is getting 6:1. So the only question is, if we think, there are more than 6 combos of AK/AQ in his range to compensate for the 6 combos of QQ/AA, which we lose to?

And I am kind of unsure about that, because while there are 21 combos of AK/AQ, I think, they are much less likely to 4-bet pre and then check flop, when they hit top pair. His line is far more consistent with AA and QQ. So while it is a bit conservative, I do lean towards just calling and taking a showdown rather than going after his last $3.15.

 

[Station_Master]

Of course we get trips in in a 4bet pot. If villain has AA or QQ so be it. Seems unlikely villian doesnt jam AA or QQ on the river so easy value shove on river

 

[fundiver199]

Seems unlikely villian doesnt jam AA or QQ on the river so easy value shove on river

This is a fair point. But on the other hand its not unusual for bad players to focus more on "not losing their customer" than on how to maximize long term value, when they have the nuts. And as I said already, a small 4-bet out of position preflop followed by a check on a A high flop is far more consistent with AA or QQ than with AK/AQ. Anyways I think, its a very interesting hand history, because it involve a lot of hand reading. And I also dont think, its a significant mistake to jam the river. But if I have to make I guess, then I think, Hero lost this hand, and most likely to AA.

 

[Station_Master]

This is a fair point. But on the other hand its not unusual for bad players to focus more on "not losing their customer" than on how to maximize long term value, when they have the nuts. And as I said already, a small 4-bet out of position preflop followed by a check on a A high flop is far more consistent with AA or QQ than with AK/AQ. Anyways I think, its a very interesting hand history, because it involve a lot of hand reading. And I also dont think, its a significant mistake to jam the river. But if I have to make I guess, then I think, Hero lost this hand, and most likely to AA.

Yeah i see the point, the small 4bet size is very suspect pre so yhere probably arent that many AK combos that take this line

 

[eetenor]

partypoker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 4 players
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UTG: $25.99 (260 bb)
BU (Hero): $10.21 (102 bb)
SB: $10.23 (102 bb)
BB: $11.68 (117 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 7♥ 6♥
UTG raises to $0.20, Hero 3-bets to $0.75, 2 players fold, UTG 4-bets to $1.50, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.15) A♠ 7♣ 7♠ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($3.15) Q♣ (2 players)
UTG bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25

River: ($7.65) 9♥ (2 players)
UTG bets $3.63, Hero raises to $6.46 (all-in), UTG calls $2.83

The player in the CO is a big fish and he overplayed some hands before and raised pretty wide. I bluff 3betted this spot in position and hope to find a fold. He 4betted small and I called this hand because I am IP, 76s has a good playabillity and villain is weak. The call is pretty close I think. I flopped trips villain checked, I checked behind. Would a small raise, maybe 1/3 pot be better? On the turn villain bet and I called to keep all his bluffs in. On the river he betted again and I reshoved all in. Is it better to call here or is the jam ok? What is your line. Thank you for your help.

My first thought was we always want to bet the flop we are fine if we win now but we also get value on flop with hands that connect with this board--I then checked solver and it always bets 76 on flop

Solver of course has no click back preflop OOP

 

[VickyFuzz]

partypoker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 4 players
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UTG: $25.99 (260 bb)
BU (Hero): $10.21 (102 bb)
SB: $10.23 (102 bb)
BB: $11.68 (117 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 7♥ 6♥
UTG raises to $0.20, Hero 3-bets to $0.75, 2 players fold, UTG 4-bets to $1.50, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.15) A♠ 7♣ 7♠ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($3.15) Q♣ (2 players)
UTG bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25

River: ($7.65) 9♥ (2 players)
UTG bets $3.63, Hero raises to $6.46 (all-in), UTG calls $2.83
Here is the report from OptimusPoker

Optimuspoker online poker solver says this :

Flop :



Turn :



River :

 

[eetenor]

partypoker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 4 players
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UTG: $25.99 (260 bb)
BU (Hero): $10.21 (102 bb)
SB: $10.23 (102 bb)
BB: $11.68 (117 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 7♥ 6♥
UTG raises to $0.20, Hero 3-bets to $0.75, 2 players fold, UTG 4-bets to $1.50, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.15) A♠ 7♣ 7♠ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($3.15) Q♣ (2 players)
UTG bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25

River: ($7.65) 9♥ (2 players)
UTG bets $3.63, Hero raises to $6.46 (all-in), UTG calls $2.83

The player in the CO is a big fish and he overplayed some hands before and raised pretty wide. I bluff 3betted this spot in position and hope to find a fold. He 4betted small and I called this hand because I am IP, 76s has a good playabillity and villain is weak. The call is pretty close I think. I flopped trips villain checked, I checked behind. Would a small raise, maybe 1/3 pot be better? On the turn villain bet and I called to keep all his bluffs in. On the river he betted again and I reshoved all in. Is it better to call here or is the jam ok? What is your line. Thank you for your help.

Further thoughts

76s is a hand that enjoys a large post flop SPR IP why raise 3.75x vs UTG open? 76s is a good hand to play vs a 4 bet- if that is your plan why not lower the 4 bet size with a 3x sizing?

V does 4 bet min click. What is the player pool standard action? What is the play style of the Villain? How do these factors affect V range?

Why does the V want to build a pot OOP but make sure they get called preflop?

Flop
V has 3 combos of AA often played like they did preflop- Would 7x suited combos have min clicked? What spade combos would min click? What pairs min click?
What hands can we stack and when can we stack them? How do we get max value from the weaker part of their range?
Can we do this and still get stacks from second best part of their range vs our 7x?

V checks -- Why? Trap or pot control or not refining their value targets in your range?
U check Why? What part of the V range can we get value from with a bet here? Will they have that in their check line?
Why give a free card to spade draws? Why give a free card to 2 outers over pair draws? Why not take the pot right now if they over fold? Why would they over fold the flop but not turn?
What second best hand that they improve to wants to stack off on turn or river for 2.5 SPR? How frequent will that happen? Will they not also call flop and then stack off at a lower SPR with those hands?
What hand that you have that misses the flop wants to bet turn if checked to on this board?

Results They had a stack off hand so our check on flop was mostly risk and little reward.

Nice win

Saw the solver results in another post and my range statements are why the solver bets more often than calls and since we do not have to balance you can 100% bet flop.