$10 NL HE 6-max: Check raises with second best flush

[puzzlefish]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Stakes

$.05/$.10

Table Format

6-max (6 seats)

VP$IP

27

PFR

19

Currency

$

6-max fast fold format on 888

Villain's stats were VPIP 27 / PFR 19 / 3bet% 14.

Not much history with them. In fact this is maybe the second time playing 10NL Snap in a few months.

Some sticky situations tonight and I felt I was calling down too wide. How about this one?


Pre-flop
Hero has the effective stack with 89.3bb.
Fold to hero on BTN
Hero has and opens to 2.5bb
Calls from Villain on SB and BB

Flop

Checks to Hero
Hero bets 1/2 pot (3.7bb into 7.5bb)
Calls from Villains

Turn

Checks to Hero
Hero bets 9.1bb into 18.6bb
Villain on SB raises to 18.2bb
BB folds
Hero calls

River

Villain bets 36.3bb into 91.3bb

Hero has to call this, right?
I felt maybe I can jam but can only see myself getting called by .

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
Standard open but why are you not starting with a full stack? 888 has an auto top-up function.

Flop
Obviously a fine C-bet. According to solvers half bet is almost never optimal. This hand could maybe go for a big bet to build up the pot for the second nuts? You can check in GTO Wizard and see, what the program prefer.

Turn
Your made your hand, so obviously you are now betting for value, and again half pot is not preferred by solvers. Go bigger. Now you get min-raised. You could be behind to the A high flush, but he could also have a worse flush, a straight, a set or the naked ace of clubs. And I kind of want to get value or deny equity from all those hands now, before the board screw me in some way. You only have a little more than a pot sized bet left, so for me I jam here. There are only 7 combos of the A high flush, so if he has it, its like running KK into AA preflop.

River
Not having to make this decision is one of the reasons to jam the turn. Pot is only around 55BB, so the bet is not quite as small, as you made it look. But even so which hand is betting for value now other than the A high flush, and which hand is bluffing on this board? I understand the call, but I think, you are beat now. And if its by the stiff ace of clubs, you kind of allowed it to happed by not jamming the turn.

 

[puzzlefish]

I somehow doubt that a jam on the turn would be called by anything worse than the nuts or someone drawing on the nuts with the Ace of clubs. So in a way it would force all players that would bluff the river to fold at that point. Agree with the other observations.

 

[fundiver199]

I somehow doubt that a jam on the turn would be called by anything worse than the nuts or someone drawing on the nuts with the Ace of clubs.

Do you think, someone is raise-folding a lower flush in a 10NL cash game? I find that kind of difficult to believe. The main argument for just calling on the turn is, that it allow him to potentially bluff the river. Like maybe he has the A of clubs, and he brick. The downside is, that a lot of cards are bad for you either putting a 4-flush or pairing the board. So you are kind of hoping to dodge nearly half the deck, when you slowplay.

 

[monkeytilter]

Ugh, what a run out - Having the Kc Jc blocks the hands villains is likely to be over playing?

Yes villain can be going nuts occasionally but readless you can make a solid fold here and save 30bb majority of the time - you most definitely do not "have to call".

 

[fundiver199]

Yes villain can be going nuts occasionally but readless you can make a solid fold here and save 30bb majority of the time - you most definitely do not "have to call".

I think, there is a bit of a bet sizing tell here as well. The min-raise on the turn followed by a non all-in sizing on the river screams "bad player afraid to lose his customer" to me. So if I had to guess, I would say, he probably had the nut flush, and he turned it.

 

[puzzlefish]

Oh and yes, since I manually enter these hands I made a mistake with the pot size on the river. It was only 55bb so he was betting 36.3 into a pot of 55 (to make it 91.3)

 

[puzzlefish]

Do you think, someone is raise-folding a lower flush in a 10NL cash game? I find that kind of difficult to believe. The main argument for just calling on the turn is, that it allow him to potentially bluff the river. Like maybe he has the A of clubs, and he brick. The downside is, that a lot of cards are bad for you either putting a 4-flush or pairing the board. So you are kind of hoping to dodge nearly half the deck, when you slowplay.

I am relatively new to 10NL but I can tell you that some weird stuff happens there. Somehow on this particular hand you are assuming he has to be drawing. But he isn't.

Ugh, what a run out - Having the Kc Jc blocks the hands villains is likely to be over playing?

Yes villain can be going nuts occasionally but readless you can make a solid fold here and save 30bb majority of the time - you most definitely do not "have to call".

I think, there is a bit of a bet sizing tell here as well. The min-raise on the turn followed by a non all-in sizing on the river screams "bad player afraid to lose his customer" to me. So if I had to guess, I would say, he probably had the nut flush, and he turned it.

In this case he has a pair of queens. And not even with a good kicker.



So he was actually bluffing since the turn.

 

[monkeytilter]

I am relatively new to 10NL but I can tell you that some weird stuff happens there. Somehow on this particular hand you are assuming he has to be drawing. But he isn't.




In this case he has a pair of queens. And not even with a good kicker.



So he was actually bluffing since the turn.

OK now you have a read that villain can "goes nuts" you can start bluff catching/making thinner value calls vs this guy in the right spots (readless I still stand by river fold as the highest ev).

You now need to work out if he is a thinking creative or just a maniac making polarisation errors, odds are on the latter as he should know population at 10nl is not folding enough non-nut flushes to a sub pot sized bet.

 

[fundiver199]

QT no club is a bizarre hand to turn into a bluff on this board. I cant help wondering, if maybe he misclicked on the turn? It was exactly a min-raise, which is, what happen, if you unintentionally hit the "raise" button without first selecting an amount. And then on the river he realised, he is never good with that action and runout and decided to try to dig himself out by turning his hand into a bluff. Regardless what happened, its definitely part of the spazz factor, where maybe 5-10% of the time people show up with something completely unexpected.