Playing AKo AKs the same way but getting very different results. Good 9max Horrible 7max

chump39 · Apr 6, 2025

.02/.05
I've looked at heaps of videos on AK and play it in a TAG poker style. Super rarely go all - pre flop
I'll just show the stats firstly Ignition over 25000 hands at Ignition 9max, note the AKs

Then the same stakes at Coinpoker over 10000 7max improved AKs stats
I assume this is variance or Coinpoker is haunted?
Any advice?

chump39 · Apr 7, 2025

Thought I'd try AK at .01/.02 where there are bluffs!

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem 0.02(BB)
BTN ($2.18) [VPIP: 37.6% | PFR: 16.5% | AGG: 47.9% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 57.1% | River Agg: 63.6% | 3Bet: 11.9% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 109]
SB ($2) [VPIP: 12% | PFR: 9.9% | AGG: 50.3% | Flop Agg: 64.8% | Turn Agg: 37.3% | River Agg: 27.6% | 3Bet: 6.6% | Fold to 3Bet: 65.2% | 4Bet: 27.3% | Hands: 1433]
HERO ($2) [VPIP: 17.9% | PFR: 12.2% | AGG: 33.5% | Flop Agg: 40.9% | Turn Agg: 29.5% | River Agg: 29.7% | 3Bet: 4.8% | 4Bet: 7.1% | Cold Call: 11.8% | Hands: 9928]
UTG ($10.17) [VPIP: 23.7% | PFR: 22.2% | AGG: 30.6% | Hands: 2111]
UTG_1 ($2.27) [VPIP: 20.3% | PFR: 12.9% | AGG: 29.7% | Hands: 2666]
MP ($2.70) [VPIP: 19.8% | PFR: 14.5% | AGG: 38.7% | Hands: 2827]
CO ($2.23) [VPIP: 39.4% | PFR: 23.6% | AGG: 39.5% | Hands: 952]

Dealt to Hero: K:heart: A:spade:

UTG Folds, UTG_1 Folds, MP Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.06, SB Raises To $0.20, HERO Calls $0.18, BTN Calls $0.14

Hero SPR on Flop: [3 effective]
Flop ($0.60): 4:diamond: J:club: A:heart:
SB Bets $0.29 (Rem. Stack: $1.51), HERO Calls $0.29 (Rem. Stack: $1.51), BTN Calls $0.29 (Rem. Stack: $1.69)

Turn ($1.47): 4:diamond: J:club: A:heart: 3:heart:
SB Bets $0.72 (Rem. Stack: $0.79), HERO Raises To $1.51 (allin), BTN Raises To $1.69 (allin), SB Calls $0.79 (allin)

River ($6.18): 4:diamond: J:club: A:heart: 3:heart: 3:diamond:

[spoil]
BTN shows: A:club: 8:heart:
SB shows: A:diamond: J:diamond:

SB wins: $5.85
[/spoil]

chump39 · Apr 7, 2025

I'll keep posting till I win a hand with AK

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem 0.02(BB)
UTG_1 ($0.80) [VPIP: 27.7% | PFR: 19.3% | AGG: 42.4% | Hands: 476]
MP ($1.07) [VPIP: 31% | PFR: 20.4% | AGG: 42.9% | 3Bet: 7.4% | 4Bet: 31% | Fold to 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 751]
HERO ($3.75) [VPIP: 17.9% | PFR: 12.2% | AGG: 33.5% | Hands: 9948]
BTN ($7.63) [VPIP: 23.7% | PFR: 22.2% | AGG: 30.9% | Hands: 2167]
SB ($2.80) [VPIP: 20.3% | PFR: 12.9% | AGG: 29.8% | Hands: 2686]
BB ($2.54) [VPIP: 19.7% | PFR: 14.5% | AGG: 38.7% | Hands: 2972]
UTG ($2) [VPIP: 20.5% | PFR: 16.4% | AGG: 28.5% | Hands: 11382]

Dealt to Hero: K:heart: A:club:

UTG Folds, UTG_1 Folds, MP Raises To $0.05, HERO Raises To $0.14, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, MP Raises To $1.07 (allin), HERO Folds

[spoil]
MP wins: $0.31
[/spoil]

EarnDAStack · Apr 7, 2025

chump39 said:
I'll keep posting till I win a hand with AK

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem 0.02(BB)
UTG_1 ($0.80) [VPIP: 27.7% | PFR: 19.3% | AGG: 42.4% | Hands: 476]
MP ($1.07) [VPIP: 31% | PFR: 20.4% | AGG: 42.9% | 3Bet: 7.4% | 4Bet: 31% | Fold to 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 751]
HERO ($3.75) [VPIP: 17.9% | PFR: 12.2% | AGG: 33.5% | Hands: 9948]
BTN ($7.63) [VPIP: 23.7% | PFR: 22.2% | AGG: 30.9% | Hands: 2167]
SB ($2.80) [VPIP: 20.3% | PFR: 12.9% | AGG: 29.8% | Hands: 2686]
BB ($2.54) [VPIP: 19.7% | PFR: 14.5% | AGG: 38.7% | Hands: 2972]
UTG ($2) [VPIP: 20.5% | PFR: 16.4% | AGG: 28.5% | Hands: 11382]

Dealt to Hero: K:heart: A:club:

UTG Folds, UTG_1 Folds, MP Raises To $0.05, HERO Raises To $0.14, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, MP Raises To $1.07 (allin), HERO Folds

[spoil]
MP wins: $0.31
[/spoil]

You can't fold AKo here.

MP's stack is only 54bb and with his level of aggression we're well ahead of his range with our AKo and there's a lot of dead money already in the pot.

What range do you think he's jamming with here? It should be much wider than normal due to both the shorter stack and villain's aggressive play style.

Station_Master · Apr 7, 2025

chump39 said:
Thought I'd try AK at .01/.02 where there are bluffs!

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem 0.02(BB)
BTN ($2.18) [VPIP: 37.6% | PFR: 16.5% | AGG: 47.9% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 57.1% | River Agg: 63.6% | 3Bet: 11.9% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 109]
SB ($2) [VPIP: 12% | PFR: 9.9% | AGG: 50.3% | Flop Agg: 64.8% | Turn Agg: 37.3% | River Agg: 27.6% | 3Bet: 6.6% | Fold to 3Bet: 65.2% | 4Bet: 27.3% | Hands: 1433]
HERO ($2) [VPIP: 17.9% | PFR: 12.2% | AGG: 33.5% | Flop Agg: 40.9% | Turn Agg: 29.5% | River Agg: 29.7% | 3Bet: 4.8% | 4Bet: 7.1% | Cold Call: 11.8% | Hands: 9928]
UTG ($10.17) [VPIP: 23.7% | PFR: 22.2% | AGG: 30.6% | Hands: 2111]
UTG_1 ($2.27) [VPIP: 20.3% | PFR: 12.9% | AGG: 29.7% | Hands: 2666]
MP ($2.70) [VPIP: 19.8% | PFR: 14.5% | AGG: 38.7% | Hands: 2827]
CO ($2.23) [VPIP: 39.4% | PFR: 23.6% | AGG: 39.5% | Hands: 952]

Dealt to Hero: K:heart: A:spade:

UTG Folds, UTG_1 Folds, MP Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.06, SB Raises To $0.20, HERO Calls $0.18, BTN Calls $0.14

Hero SPR on Flop: [3 effective]
Flop ($0.60): 4:diamond: J:club: A:heart:
SB Bets $0.29 (Rem. Stack: $1.51), HERO Calls $0.29 (Rem. Stack: $1.51), BTN Calls $0.29 (Rem. Stack: $1.69)

Turn ($1.47): 4:diamond: J:club: A:heart: 3:heart:
SB Bets $0.72 (Rem. Stack: $0.79), HERO Raises To $1.51 (allin), BTN Raises To $1.69 (allin), SB Calls $0.79 (allin)

River ($6.18): 4:diamond: J:club: A:heart: 3:heart: 3:diamond:

[spoil]
BTN shows: A:club: 8:heart:
SB shows: A:diamond: J:diamond:

SB wins: $5.85
[/spoil]

You need to cold 4bet pre here

mr.fers_one · Apr 7, 2025

and what do you want with AK to win every hand? except probably when the opponent has AA)))) even 22 has a better chance, because it's a ready hand, and AK is not there yet, it's a good hand, but not ready... if you take it superficially, but if you look deeper, then you need to look at the position, and whether there are discoveries in front of you, who is sitting, how he plays... I'll tell you that hands like AK, AQ, AJ win in about one hand out of three... in general, open GTO wizard and watch those hands where you think that poker has acted unfairly towards you, and you will see and understand everything for yourself, if you are not a fool))

LUKADONCICMVP · Apr 8, 2025

don´t even win with AA and KK here imagine with AK .

chump39 · Apr 10, 2025

Station_Master said:
You need to cold 4bet pre here

Then you get this:
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem 0.02(BB)
MP ($1.92) [VPIP: 26.3% | PFR: 14.4% | AGG: 32% | Hands: 1827]
CO ($2.07) [VPIP: 19.6% | PFR: 17.9% | AGG: 34% | Hands: 2720]
BTN ($1.94) [VPIP: 16.3% | PFR: 9.7% | AGG: 33.5% | Hands: 1903]
HERO ($2.03) [VPIP: 17.9% | PFR: 12.1% | AGG: 33.2% | Hands: 10456]
BB ($2) [VPIP: 20.2% | PFR: 14.7% | AGG: 32% | Hands: 9007]
UTG ($1.86) [VPIP: 62.8% | PFR: 8.8% | AGG: 35% | Flop Agg: 39% | Turn Agg: 48.7% | River Agg: 32% | 3Bet: 6.4% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 113]
UTG_1 ($2.14) [VPIP: 16.8% | PFR: 13.1% | AGG: 32.5% | Hands: 43825]

Dealt to Hero: A♠ K♦

UTG Calls $0.02, UTG_1 Folds, MP Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $0.08, BB Raises To $0.16, UTG Calls $0.14, HERO Raises To $0.32, BB Calls $0.16, UTG Raises To $1.86 (allin), HERO Folds, BB Calls $1.54

Flop ($4.04): A♣ 5♦ K♠

Turn ($4.04): A♣ 5♦ K♠ 4♥

River ($4.04): A♣ 5♦ K♠ 4♥ J♦

BB shows: J♥ A♥
UTG shows: 3♥ 3♦

BB wins: $3.89

chump39 · Apr 10, 2025

mr.fers_one said:
and what do you want with AK to win every hand? except probably when the opponent has AA)))) even 22 has a better chance, because it's a ready hand, and AK is not there yet, it's a good hand, but not ready... if you take it superficially, but if you look deeper, then you need to look at the position, and whether there are discoveries in front of you, who is sitting, how he plays... I'll tell you that hands like AK, AQ, AJ win in about one hand out of three... in general, open GTO wizard and watch those hands where you think that poker has acted unfairly towards you, and you will see and understand everything for yourself, if you are not a fool))

No, I'm not looking to win every hand. It would be nice to breakeven, though.

If I put a hand as played in the microstakes GTO wizard just gives an error.
Plug my latest AK in GTO wizard

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem 0.02(BB)
MP ($1.92) [VPIP: 26.3% | PFR: 14.4% | AGG: 32% | Hands: 1827]
CO ($2.07) [VPIP: 19.6% | PFR: 17.9% | AGG: 34% | Hands: 2720]
BTN ($1.94) [VPIP: 16.5% | PFR: 9.7% | AGG: 32.9% | Hands: 1934]
HERO ($2.03) [VPIP: 17.9% | PFR: 12.1% | AGG: 33.2% | Hands: 10456]
BB ($2) [VPIP: 20.2% | PFR: 14.7% | AGG: 31.9% | Hands: 9132]
UTG ($1.86) [VPIP: 61.1% | PFR: 8.7% | AGG: 35.3% | Flop Agg: 37.5% | Turn Agg: 51.2% | River Agg: 32% | 3Bet: 5.9% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 126]
UTG_1 ($2.14) [VPIP: 16.8% | PFR: 13.1% | AGG: 32.5% | Hands: 43825]

Dealt to Hero: A♠ K♦

UTG Calls $0.02, UTG_1 Folds, MP Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $0.08, BB Raises To $0.16, UTG Calls $0.14, HERO Raises To $0.32, BB Calls $0.16, UTG Raises To $1.86 (allin), HERO Folds, BB Calls $1.54

Flop ($4.04): A♣ 5♦ K♠

Turn ($4.04): A♣ 5♦ K♠ 4♥

River ($4.04): A♣ 5♦ K♠ 4♥ J♦

BB shows: J♥ A♥
UTG shows: 3♥ 3♦

BB wins: $3.89

Station_Master · Apr 11, 2025

chump39 said:
Then you get this:
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem 0.02(BB)
MP ($1.92) [VPIP: 26.3% | PFR: 14.4% | AGG: 32% | Hands: 1827]
CO ($2.07) [VPIP: 19.6% | PFR: 17.9% | AGG: 34% | Hands: 2720]
BTN ($1.94) [VPIP: 16.3% | PFR: 9.7% | AGG: 33.5% | Hands: 1903]
HERO ($2.03) [VPIP: 17.9% | PFR: 12.1% | AGG: 33.2% | Hands: 10456]
BB ($2) [VPIP: 20.2% | PFR: 14.7% | AGG: 32% | Hands: 9007]
UTG ($1.86) [VPIP: 62.8% | PFR: 8.8% | AGG: 35% | Flop Agg: 39% | Turn Agg: 48.7% | River Agg: 32% | 3Bet: 6.4% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 113]
UTG_1 ($2.14) [VPIP: 16.8% | PFR: 13.1% | AGG: 32.5% | Hands: 43825]

Dealt to Hero: A♠ K♦

UTG Calls $0.02, UTG_1 Folds, MP Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $0.08, BB Raises To $0.16, UTG Calls $0.14, HERO Raises To $0.32, BB Calls $0.16, UTG Raises To $1.86 (allin), HERO Folds, BB Calls $1.54

Flop ($4.04): A♣ 5♦ K♠

Turn ($4.04): A♣ 5♦ K♠ 4♥

River ($4.04): A♣ 5♦ K♠ 4♥ J♦

BB shows: J♥ A♥
UTG shows: 3♥ 3♦

BB wins: $3.89

But why would you fold to a short stack fish pre who limped and them juat flatted the 3bet??!!!

Poker Orifice · Apr 11, 2025

Station_Master said:
But why would you fold to a short stack fish pre who limped and them juat flatted the 3bet??!!!

good question

chump39 · Apr 11, 2025

I'm -367bb/100 over the last 140 AK AKs hands. You can't say for sure he is a fish, I only have 126 hands but he isn't short stacked and with a 33 is still at 53% to win.
Then I still have BB to act after me, who isn't a fish - and after 9000 hands only 3bets 5.4%. I'm surprised he had AJs and not JJ or better

Station_Master · Apr 11, 2025

chump39 said:
I'm -367bb/100 over the last 140 AK AKs hands. You can't say for sure he is a fish, I only have 126 hands but he isn't short stacked and with a 33 is still at 53% to win.
Then I still have BB to act after me, who isn't a fish - and after 9000 hands only 3bets 5.4%. I'm surprised he had AJs and not JJ or better

The guy showed up with 33 and you are still not sure if he is a fish!

chump39 · Apr 11, 2025

I'm genuinely sure you're a better poker player then I am. That's why I posted the question.
Like I said though, I'm still loosing 53% of the time. Plus fish don't always have a bad hand see attached hand.
I still had the BB, would you have not folded even with the BB's action?

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem 0.05(BB)
MP ($1.94) [VPIP: 27.4% | PFR: 19.5% | AGG: 31.7% | Hands: 2553]
CO ($4.80) [VPIP: 29.2% | PFR: 18.7% | AGG: 31% | Hands: 4824]
HERO ($5.09) [VPIP: 17.9% | PFR: 12.1% | AGG: 33.1% | Flop Agg: 40.5% | Turn Agg: 29% | River Agg: 29% | 3Bet: 4.6% | Fold to 3Bet: 63.8% | 4Bet: 8% | Hands: 10546]
SB ($4.73) [VPIP: 41.6% | PFR: 24% | AGG: 29.8% | Flop Agg: 32.1% | Turn Agg: 26.9% | River Agg: 35.5% | 3Bet: 12.1% | 4Bet: 10.9% | Hands: 3412]
BB ($4.49) [VPIP: 26.2% | PFR: 14.7% | AGG: 25% | Hands: 18293]
UTG ($4.57) [VPIP: 30.6% | PFR: 18.3% | AGG: 39.5% | Hands: 2095]
UTG_1 ($6.85) [VPIP: 22.3% | PFR: 14.2% | AGG: 24.6% | Hands: 14396]

Dealt to Hero: A♥ K♣

UTG Folds, UTG_1 Folds, MP Raises To $0.13, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.45, SB Raises To $1.20, BB Folds, MP Folds, HERO Calls $0.75

Hero SPR on Flop: [1.37 effective]
Flop ($2.58): T♦ 2♣ A♣
SB Bets $0.75 (Rem. Stack: $2.78), HERO Raises To $1.50 (Rem. Stack: $2.39), SB Calls $0.75 (Rem. Stack: $2.03)

Turn ($5.58): T♦ 2♣ A♣ 7♥
SB Checks, HERO Bets $2.39 (allin), SB Calls $2.03 (allin)

River ($10): T♦ 2♣ A♣ 7♥ Q♦

SB shows: Q♠ Q♥

SB wins: $9.34

chump39 · Apr 11, 2025

Latest
My biggest losses come when I hit the flop

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem 0.02(BB)
SB ($2) [VPIP: 22.3% | PFR: 18% | AGG: 29.9% | Flop Agg: 34.5% | Turn Agg: 27.3% | River Agg: 29.5% | 3Bet: 8.9% | Fold to 3Bet: 69% | 4Bet: 10.5% | Hands: 10095]
BB ($2.20) [VPIP: 19.4% | PFR: 16.4% | AGG: 39.1% | Hands: 4432]
HJ ($2.89) [VPIP: 34.1% | PFR: 5.1% | AGG: 23.6% | Hands: 214]
HERO ($2.09) [VPIP: 17.8% | PFR: 12.1% | AGG: 33.1% | Flop Agg: 40.6% | Turn Agg: 29% | River Agg: 29% | 3Bet: 4.6% | 4Bet: 7.9% | Hands: 10600]
BTN ($2.32) [VPIP: 16.8% | PFR: 13.1% | AGG: 32.4% | Hands: 44936]

Dealt to Hero: K♠ A♦

HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.08, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $0.35, BB Folds, HERO Calls $0.27

Hero SPR on Flop: [2.29 effective]
Flop ($0.72): 4♥ 2♥ K♣
SB Bets $0.18 (Rem. Stack: $1.47), HERO Raises To $0.50 (Rem. Stack: $1.24), SB Calls $0.32 (Rem. Stack: $1.15)

Turn ($1.72): 4♥ 2♥ K♣ 4♠
SB Checks, HERO Bets $1.24 (allin), SB Calls $1.15 (allin)

River ($4.11): 4♥ 2♥ K♣ 4♠ T♠

SB shows: K♥ K♦

SB wins: $3.87

Birdbrain · Apr 20, 2025

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