John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
More like pray to the gods that I'd hit on the river so not much of a plan at all lol
I hope you have gracious gods then.
More like pray to the gods that I'd hit on the river so not much of a plan at all lol
I've got another question. Today is study day for me so I'm reviewing chapter 7 on 3betting for value, bluffs and quasi range. I have a question specifically about 98s. I've recently begun 3 betting in position with this hand against players who are a bit sticky and don't like to fold to 3bets. To date it's worked fairly well but I don't see this hand mentioned in any of the above options. Should this hand be 3bet with or does it have higher value as a calling hand?
Why 3-bet against sticky players? You're going to be behind someone's opening range when you 3-bet with that hand, so you'd want more FE.
Any ways, we talk about hands that can outflop your opponents 3-bet calling range, and use those as building blocks. SC's are hands that even if you flop a pair, you can't be too confident with. So they tend to make better calling hands in single raised pots. That doesn't mean you shouldn't or can't 3-bet with them. I'd recommend getting other hands in your 3-bet bluffing range and learning to play them post flop first, and then mix in SC's in spots you think would be profitable.
Why 3-bet against sticky players? You're going to be behind someone's opening range when you 3-bet with that hand, so you'd want more FE.
Any ways, we talk about hands that can outflop your opponents 3-bet calling range, and use those as building blocks. SC's are hands that even if you flop a pair, you can't be too confident with. So they tend to make better calling hands in single raised pots. That doesn't mean you shouldn't or can't 3-bet with them. I'd recommend getting other hands in your 3-bet bluffing range and learning to play them post flop first, and then mix in SC's in spots you think would be profitable.
Why 3-bet against sticky players? You're going to be behind someone's opening range when you 3-bet with that hand, so you'd want more FE.
Any ways, we talk about hands that can outflop your opponents 3-bet calling range, and use those as building blocks. SC's are hands that even if you flop a pair, you can't be too confident with. So they tend to make better calling hands in single raised pots. That doesn't mean you shouldn't or can't 3-bet with them. I'd recommend getting other hands in your 3-bet bluffing range and learning to play them post flop first, and then mix in SC's in spots you think would be profitable.
he had the KQ to hit gutshotCall he's a complete unknown and could have anything.
There are loads of 2 pair combos he could think hes betting for value like JT J9 T9
If he had a draw he's likely to have had a T in his hand already.
Lets say for example he had QdTd, Td8d, Qd Jd, Jd8d he's always calling the turn but the T on the river doesn't help him much.
Its a scary board and as we don't know him he decides to bluff shove.
The only hands we really fear are 78 KQ or a set. I had a set id be looking to gii on the flop due to the threat of the straight draws, and I certainly wouldn't check that turn with a set now that a FD appears as well. I don't think KQ calls the turn
OOP - Call suited connectors if 1 raiser and another caller ( need at least 3 in the pot as even if you hit difficult to get paid out of position) 3Bet or fold against REG Call against Fish if Deep
IP - Im more likely to call with suited connectors and 3bet with suited gap connectors 97s etc against Regs if fish call against both, maybe something like :-
PS I take no responsibility for anyone following my advice and doing their bankroll LOL![]()
he had the KQ to hit gutshotgotta put it down to variance as last few days are pretty sick running into everything
11 hands stacked in last 2 days
1 JJ v AA all in on the flop
2 AA v JJ All in Preflop they hit their Jack
3 AA v TJ All in on turn they hit flush on river
4 AK v AQ AIPF they hit Queen
5 76 v 98 Flop straight they hit Boat
6 AK v AA AIPF
7 KK v 45 they raise 12c I 3Bet 45c and they call tried to get 3 streets of value
8 66 v QK FLop set they hit gutshot on River
9 QQ v KK AIPF against a 23/20
10 AK v JJ
11 A2 v AJ Only hand I thin i actually spewed when shoving on turn with over gutshot and NFD
Can someone teach me how to play a flush draw
I would have been happy to GII on the flop but I'm not getting a price to call on the turn and the villian is super sticky. With no added fold equity what else can I do here?
PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
BTN: 97.82 BB (VPIP: 43.10, PFR: 12.07, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 58)
Hero (SB): 171.8 BB
BB: 34.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♦ A♦
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 11 BB, fold, BTN calls 7.5 BB
Flop: (23 BB, 2 players) 2♦ J♠ 6♦
Hero bets 15 BB, BTN calls 15 BB
Turn: (53 BB, 2 players) 6♣
Hero checks, BTN bets 31.93 BB, fold
BTN wins 50.35 BB
Sorry bud I wasn't playing last night, I was looking out for you Thursday but you weren't around and I hooked up with Mika for a while. maybe tonight?Hey Figaroo, I skype messaged you. What time will you be available for a sweat session tonight? I'm ready to take another crack at 200nl but I wouldn't mind sweating you either. I'm taking a break for a bit but lmk what works!
On this hand I think it would have been ok just to flat preflop for a few reasons. Firstly he is a fish with a vpip of 40+ in that case AT is better than most of his range, we should be at least 60% equity here, if we three bet we fold out his garbage and keep in hands against which we have less equity. Against fish I like to keep them in the hand with their weaker range.
They will make bigger mistakes postflop so keep them in, but OOP i prefer to keep the pot small initially and actually build a pot when we catch something.
Small hand, small pot, big hand big pot is one of Harringtons mantras that is underestimated imo.
When I'm in position I would 3bet this hand against this guy as we can take more free cards in position and control the hand better.
Also by keeping the pot small with a hand like a flush draw we can often afford to call a bet on the turn as there is still so much money behind.
In this hand because you bloated the pot early you then lost the odds to call the turn and had to fold (correctly of course).
The second reason for a flat here is that the BB also looks like a fish and is less likely to squeeze and may also come along, the more fish in the pot the better as far as I'm concerned.
Ok lets say preflop we call and the BB folds, we check the flop, the pot would only be 9bb. Button bets half pot 5bb we call, pot is now 19bb, turn bricks,
we want to see a cheap river car so we can either try to set the price by leading out small or we just check and see how big he makes it. Whatever it is likely to be much smaller than the 31bb you faced having 3bet and missed. What line we take here is linked to how passive or aggressive he is. If he is passive then a small donk lead of 5bb might work.
there were no breaks at work...
Hmmm
Common theme...all the hands you posted are all 1 pair hands and you seem to be getting too much money in too quickly and building pots that the strength of your hand doesn't justify.
Lets roll out the cliches ...Generally AK flopping tptk either wins a small pot or loses a big one.
So tailor your betting ore to the villain in the hand and check a street or even two to keep the pot smaller against players calling on dry boards.
You aren't going to get three streets of value from tptk against decent opponents with tpgk very often, hold back on the 3 barreling for the real calling station fish.
You are brute forcing the 2nd barrel and folding out 2nd best hands and betting for and bloating the pots for the hands that beat you.. If you check call use your hand as a bluff catcher on boards where there draws have missed you often pick up another bet from 2nd best hands.
Rhom you are officially the unluckiest player I know.
But this comes with the territory of being an aggressive player. Since I started playing more aggressive I've been getting stacked more but as long as we are winning more stacks than losing eh. It is variance as you know, recently after some run bad last month I have been running really well this so it will turn around at some point. Try focusing on your hand reads of your opponent particularly on the flop.
I'm just spending a moment longer considering the flop texture against my opponents vpip / pfr.
My thoughts on 3betting a sticky player would be to maximize value on someone who isn't willing to let go of cards easily. Maybe I'm using the wrong terminology. Where I'm using this is with a loose player who will play almost any 2 cards. I wouldn't use this against a reg who's folding everything against a 3 bet except their top 10-15%. Even then though 98s wins just over 41% of the time against AJo.
I thought that since 98s does hit the flop pretty well that this would be a good hand for a quasi range to extract value as well as disguise my hand better on a low card flop.
Am I still way off base?
PS. What is "FE"?
I would have been more inclined to flat if i had the btn. I 3bet mostly because i wanted to play my hand with the initiative oop rather than check guessing. But you make some very good points. I usually keep my foot on the gas lol but i need to add some different lines to my arsenal.
Another thing, even though the bb is a fish I would still rather play a pot heads up. I 3bet a lot because of this. Even in position when the blinds are loose I'll 3bet wide to isolate the original raiser. What do you think about this?
Tonight will work. My internet is being kind of bunk lately so Imost likely won't play 200 but honestly id rather sweat you if you're up for that.
Hey! That's a cool graph! John would you happen to have that in PDF? I'd love to print it and stick it to my bathroom mirror.
@Sneaky Feet
maybe easier if posted an example of Fold Equity
On the flop if you think you are 60/40 against your opponents range and you think the will fold approx 50% of the time
Your Full equity is your hand equity added to the fold equity.
Hand equity is 60%
Fold Equity
Your opponent folds 50% and he has 40% equity so 0.5 *0.4 = 0.2 ~ 20%
Add them together 60% + 20% so your equity is now 80%
seems easy but then you have to know your equity against your opponents range and also the percent of time he might fold (these are the hard bits) but hopefully helps with the explanation
or see
https://www.cardschat.com/fold-equity.php
or
Holy crap that's a ton of information for a nube like me 😀 But awesome none the less. I yet again realize how far I have to go as that there is so much to learn. Thanks again Rhombus. Mind is blown lol
I decided to make myself a homework assignment. I'm going to add A8s into my 3bet bluffing range. After I get comfortable with this group I'll add in another group. For myself I think these are a good group of hands to start with because at the moment I very rarely even play these hands from any position so there is a lot of potential.
If anyone else has any homework assignments for me by all means fire away!!
Or3o1990 your flush draw hands posted
Every hand you posted you were OOP
Learn to play in position and learn to get freecards
ATS double barrell even tripple against that villain