Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[Figaroo2]

Hand capture HM2

Possibly a missed flush draw? That would make sense, especially considering the check back on the turn. AQh / would make sense to just flat call that 3-bet.
I think there is a very small likelihood that he would check back w/ AKh on the turn, since maybe you had hit a set of 9s (although 3-betting pre kind of eliminates you holding 99). He could also have a larger pocket pair: QQ makes most sense, actually.
Side note: how in the heck do you convert these hands?! If I use the recommendend hand converter tool, by simply copying and pasting my hand into that textbox, I get an error stating: "Incorrect hand format".

Right click on the hand you want to copy and click view
In the bottom right of the view box click on the clipboard symbol. you can use the down triangle to pick a format. Several of them work on CardsChat, in fact I think there is one called cc.
When you have clicked on the clipboard it will say in text in the bottom left, "this hand has been copied to the clipboard". Unfortunately it doesn't bring across the stats and I can add them afterwards using the "copy with stats".
There are probably easier ways tbh.

 

[rhombus]

Right click on the hand you want to copy and click view
In the bottom right of the view box click on the clipboard symbol. you can use the down triangle to pick a format. Several of them work on CardsChat, in fact I think there is one called cc.
When you have clicked on the clipboard it will say in text in the bottom left, "this hand has been copied to the clipboard". Unfortunately it doesn't bring across the stats and I can add them afterwards using the "copy with stats".
There are probably easier ways tbh.

Ive never found an easy way as well.

View shows the hands but not stats (have to add manually)

Copy with Stats shows the stats but the hand graphics isnt very good

Example comparison
View as Cardchat Format
poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $6.06 (60.6 bb)
UTG: $16.28 (162.8 bb)
MP: $17.22 (172.2 bb)
Hero (CO): $10 (100 bb)
BTN: $19.02 (190.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q

Q

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, 2 folds, BB raises to $1.10, Hero raises to $3.35, BB calls $2.25

Flop: ($6.75) T

8

2

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.58, BB calls $2.58

Turn: ($11.91) 7

(2 players)
BB bets $0.13 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.13

River: ($12.17) K

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $12.17 pot ($0.55 rake)
Final Board: T

8

2

7

K

BB showed T

T

and won $11.62 ($5.56 net)
Hero showed Q

Q

and lost (-$6.06 net)

Copy with Stats
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, October 15, 05:46:18 ET 2016
Table Aludra (real money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $19.02 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 19, 3B: 10, AF: 2.8, Hands: 132
Seat 2: Player2 ( $10.00 USD ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 11, 3B: 4, AF: 3.0, Hands: 74
Seat 3: Player3 ( $6.06 USD ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 13, 3B: 33, AF: 1.0, Hands: 8
Seat 4: Player4 ( $16.28 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 12, 3B: 14, AF: 0.0, Hands: 17
Seat 5: Player5 ( $17.22 USD ) - VPIP: 46, PFR: 31, 3B: 20, AF: 2.5, Hands: 48
Seat 6: Hero ( $10.00 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 8, AF: 2.4, Hands: 231881
Player2 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qc Qh ]
Player4 folds
Player5 folds
Hero raises [$0.35 USD]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 raises [$1.00 USD]
Hero raises [$3.00 USD]
Player3 calls [$2.25 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 8d, 2c ]
Player3 checks
Hero bets [$2.58 USD]
Player3 calls [$2.58 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
Player3 bets [$0.13 USD]
Hero calls [$0.13 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Ks ]
Player3 shows [Ts, Td ]
Hero shows [Qc, Qh ]
Player3 wins $11.62 USD from main pot

 

[rhombus]

3rd option
http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php
paste using copy with stats, although it didnt show stats

Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Button ($19.02)
SB ($10)
BB ($6.06)
UTG ($16.28)
MP ($17.22)
Hero (CO) ($10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q

, Q

2 folds, Hero raises $0.35, 2 folds, BB raises $1, Hero raises $3, BB calls $2.25

Flop: ($6.75) 10

, 8

, 2

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.58, BB calls $2.58

Turn: ($11.91) 7

(2 players)
BB bets $0.13 (All-In), Hero calls $0.13

River: ($12.17) K

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $12.17

Results below:

Spoiler

BB had 10

, 10

(three of a kind, tens).
Hero had Q

, Q

(one pair, Queens).
Outcome: BB won $11.62

 

[rhombus]

or maybe -
Right CLick on hand and choose Copy with Stats

From http://www.handconverter.com/
Choose phpBB Forums as the Output Forum
Paste the hand and click on convert - ps click on show results

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $19.02 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 19, 3B: 10, AF: 2.8, Hands: 132
SB: $10.00 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 11, 3B: 4, AF: 3.0, Hands: 74
BB: $6.06 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 13, 3B: 33, AF: 1.0, Hands: 8
UTG: $16.28 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 12, 3B: 14, AF: 0.0, Hands: 17
MP: $17.22 - VPIP: 46, PFR: 31, 3B: 20, AF: 2.5, Hands: 48
Hero (CO): $10.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 8, AF: 2.4, Hands: 231881

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with Q :club: Q :heart:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, 2 folds, BB raises to $1.10, Hero raises to $3.35, BB calls $2.25

Flop: ($6.75) T :club: 8 :diamond: 2 :club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.58, BB calls $2.58

Turn: ($11.91) 7 :diamond: (2 players)
BB bets $0.13, Hero calls $0.13

River: ($12.17) K :spade: (2 players)

Final Pot: $12.17
BB shows T :spade: T :diamond:
Hero shows Q :club: Q :heart:
BB wins $11.62
(Rake: $0.55)

 

[John A]

Helpppppppppppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my bankroll is like the UK Pound in freefall

3 typical hand from tonight. 1st hand should've folded 2nd maybe called or is that result orientated and 3rd DO you Bluff river once you have CR the turn???

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $17.55 (175.5 bb)
BB: $12.27 (122.7 bb)
UTG: $18.38 (183.8 bb)20/20 AG 67% 5 hands
MP: $8.74 (87.4 bb)
CO: $31.67 (316.7 bb)
Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T

T

UTG raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.15) T

2

Q

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.10, UTG calls $1.10

Turn: ($4.35) 9

(2 players)
UTG bets $2.40, Hero calls $2.40

River: ($9.15) 7

(2 players)
UTG bets $13.88

Spoiler

, Hero calls $5.50 and is all-in

Results: $20.15 pot ($0.91 rake)
Final Board: T

2

Q

9

7

UTG showed Q

Q

and won $19.24 ($9.24 net)
Hero showed T

T

and lost (-$10 net)

He played it like a flush, but you can't fold for this price. No way. Any kind of bluff in here or 22/99 and you're solid.

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10.52 (105.2 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)only1 hand on villain
UTG: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
MP: $13.97 (139.7 bb)
CO: $6.60 (66 bb)
Hero (BTN): $11.82 (118.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5

A

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB folds, BB raises to $0.95, Hero calls $0.65

Flop: ($1.95) 7

Q

9

(2 players)
BB bets $1.15, Hero calls $1.15

Turn: ($4.25) T

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($4.25) T

(2 players)
BB bets $2.03,

Spoiler

Hero raises to $7.55,

BB raises to $7.90 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.35

Results: $20.05 pot ($0.90 rake)
Final Board: 7

Q

9

T

T

BB showed 7

7

and won $19.15 ($9.15 net)
Hero showed 5

A

and lost (-$10.00 net)

This hand you just have to bet the turn unless you really think your opponent is aggressive. If they don't have a calling hand, they probably won't call if you bet the river, so it's best to just bet the turn. Because you don't bet the turn it makes for a strange river. You want to get more value, but is there enough worse hands that will call? You're only looking at worse flushes which maybe some % of the time he looks to CR the turn. It's a bad line for that hand, but it could be there at these stakes.

So river call/raise is close. I'm usually not a fan, but a min/raise fold wouldn't be horrible since pretty much no one will look to get it in w/ a worse flush on a paired board at this point. But of course you don't know anything about your opponent and he could be a complete whale. So I think shove is fine on the whole, but w/o breaking down the math I'm not sure the EV difference between just call on this one.

I think the mistake made here is pre-flop and on the turn. You are in love w/ suited hands. That's beyond clear. You should run some filters so you can see how you've been playing these hands when cold calling or 3-betting. It might help re-enforce some things for you.

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (BB): $11.14 (111.4 bb)
UTG: $10.25 (102.5 bb)
MP: $10.55 (105.5 bb)
CO: $13.04 (130.4 bb)
BTN: $15.69 (156.9 bb) only 1 hand

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4

4

3 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, SB folds, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) K

9

Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.25) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.70, BTN calls $1.40

River: ($4.65) Q

(2 players)

Spoiler

Hero bets $2.40, BTN calls $2.40

Results: $9.45 pot ($0.43 rake)
Final Board: K

9

Q

T

Q

Hero showed 4

4

and lost (-$4.70 net)
BTN showed K

8

and won $9.02 ($4.32 net)

Check/fold on the turn. Hand over. Again, you have no info, so you have no idea if your opponent is bluffable, which clearly he wasn't. Make smart decisions by not getting into spots where you have no info and your only escape if to turn your hand into a bluff. You're in a low equity spot w/ high reverse implied odds. There's just no reason to be in the hand.

Look, winning poker is about making good decisions your whole session. If you're getting rushed, slow down. Play less tables. But hand 2 and 3 are session killers. They are hands that you're just not going to see real good grinders playing.

Maybe I'm not being harsh enough in my critique?

 

[Aces2w1n]

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $23.29 (116.5 bb)
BB: $20 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $33.46 (167.3 bb) VPIP 44, PFR 24, 3B 14, AF 3.9, Hands 248
MP1: $35.28 (176.4 bb)
MP2: $20 (100 bb)
Hero (MP3): $33.52 (167.6 bb)
CO: $21.80 (109 bb)
BTN: $40.46 (202.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J<font color='red'>♥</font> J<font color='red'>♦</font>
UTG+2 raises to $0.70, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 4 folds, UTG+2 calls $1.05

Flop: ($3.80) 9<font color='black'>♠</font> 6<font color='red'>♥</font> 8<font color='red'>♥</font> (2 players)
UTG+2 bets $3.80, Hero calls $3.80

Turn: ($11.40) K<font color='black'>♠</font> (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero checks

River: ($11.40) 5<font color='red'>♦</font> (2 players)
UTG+2 bets $5.70
Hero ?

I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a king as he would have bet the turn. It is difficult ranging these players, he's wide enough to have a 7 here and to have led out on the flop with the oesd, or am I just seeing monsters. I am also wondering what I would have done if he had fired the turn as well.

im betting the king. its in our perceived range and more than happy to end the action on turn

 

[John A]

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $23.29 (116.5 bb)
BB: $20 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $33.46 (167.3 bb) VPIP 44, PFR 24, 3B 14, AF 3.9, Hands 248
MP1: $35.28 (176.4 bb)
MP2: $20 (100 bb)
Hero (MP3): $33.52 (167.6 bb)
CO: $21.80 (109 bb)
BTN: $40.46 (202.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J♥ J♦
UTG+2 raises to $0.70, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 4 folds, UTG+2 calls $1.05

Flop: ($3.80) 9♠ 6♥ 8♥ (2 players)
UTG+2 bets $3.80, Hero calls $3.80

Turn: ($11.40) K♠ (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero checks

River: ($11.40) 5♦ (2 players)
UTG+2 bets $5.70
Hero ?

I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a king as he would have bet the turn. It is difficult ranging these players, he's wide enough to have a 7 here and to have led out on the flop with the oesd, or am I just seeing monsters. I am also wondering what I would have done if he had fired the turn as well.

Against a spew happy bad lag you need to call the river. You also should just bet the turn. If he bet the turn then you're calling.

 

[rhombus]

You are in love w/ suited hands. That's beyond clear. You should run some filters so you can see how you've been playing these hands when cold calling or 3-betting. It might help re-enforce some things for you.

Maybe I'm not being harsh enough in my critique?

Thanks and you be as harsh as you want eventually it will sink in

Did run filters for all suited cards when I cold called and when I 3Bet although one question regarding 3betting.

Think it might have been answered before but i can't find it.

What's the difference between?
Basic Filters/Common Filters/3BET = Yes and Other Advanced Filters/Preflop Did 3Bet

The Basic Filters one shows up as Combo actions:3Bet and the Advanced Filters one shows as Did3BET = True

I did run them both and the results were the same?? Results are from 232K hands

Moral of the story better to 3Bet than Cold Call lol, although not sure why 3betting one gappers is getting his ass kicked and 2 gappers seems ok

So my samples doesn't show anything conclusive for cold calling anything apart from suited connectors which seems wrong, maybe need to filter in and out of position

 

[John A]

I'd filter out your value hands like AK, AQs, etc... and just run filters are the weaker part of your range. The hands I see you post that you're losing at hands like J6s, or cold calling with K5s, etc... those are the ones that are draining your bank roll.

 

[Figaroo2]

I ran the same filter for 250k of hands and came up with 702 hands so RHOM you are officially a 3bet MONSTER (mind you I do play FR v your 6 max)

 

[rhombus]

I'd filter out your value hands like AK, AQs, etc... and just run filters are the weaker part of your range. The hands I see you post that you're losing at hands like J6s, or cold calling with K5s, etc... those are the ones that are draining your bank roll.

I assumed those hands were covered where it says Other Suited Hands

Ran another filter, all suited cards and removed AK/AQ/AJ/AT and KQs
Shows all, 3Bets and Cold Called

then another one with cold calling with just the junkier stuff although this one had better results than cold calling with AK/AQ/AJ/AT and KQs removed

 

[John A]

Yup, that looks a little more on point. So conclusion?

And here's another example where the same range and initiative makes such a big difference, doesn't it?

 

[rhombus]

Yup, that looks a little more on point. So conclusion?

Your'e a smart arse and I'm not.

I need to ween myself off suited crap and other suited 3Bet or fold

And here's another example where the same range and initiative makes such a big difference, doesn't it?

Yes

 

[John A]

Hehe... true. But if it helps drill the point home, I'll play the part.

Speaking of playing the part, I'm working with an actor right now and helping him prepare for a role in Aaron Sorkin's new movie, Molly's Game staring Jessica Chastain. I'll post more info and some pictures here soon when it's cool to do so, but it's been a lot of fun so far. I haven't done celerity coaching in awhile, but it's always interesting and fun when it happens.

 

[rhombus]

Speaking of Filters I was looking at a video yesterday

HE was talking about non showdown winnings at about 10minutes and said ok to be losing Preflop but should be winning Flop, Turn And river

Saw Flop NO/Saw Turn NO/Saw River Any/Saw Showdn/NO
Preflop Non Showdown Winnings

Saw Flop YES/Saw Turn NO/Saw River Any/Saw Showdn/NO
Flop Either we took the pot down or got pushed out of the pot

Saw Flop YES/Saw Turn YES/Saw River NO/Saw Showdn/NO
Turn - Either we took the pot down or got pushed out of the pot

Saw Flop YES/Saw Turn YES/Saw River YES/Saw Showdn/NO
River - Either we took the pot down or got pushed out of the pot

When I checked mine I was
Losing Preflop 5.15bb/10 OK
Winning FLOP 52.1 bb/100 OK
Winning TURN 28.3 bb/100 OK
Losing RIVER 106 bb/100 WTF

 

[rhombus]

just realised it would help if i posted Leakbuster Overall stats as per video.

I'm not great as seeing where the big leaks are in these but as Im losing so much on the River Now Showdown -(106bb) I guess the River Agg% should be alot higher then 29.9%.
Should Flop AGG, Turn AGG and River AGG be similar numbers

Also think WTSD% should be around 25% for 6MAX

 

[rhombus]

Hehe... true. But if it helps drill the point home, I'll play the part.

Speaking of playing the part, I'm working with an actor right now and helping him prepare for a role in Aaron Sorkin's new movie, Molly's Game staring Jessica Chastain. I'll post more info and some pictures here soon when it's cool to do so, but it's been a lot of fun so far. I haven't done celerity coaching in awhile, but it's always interesting and fun when it happens.

Sounds awesome. I know when they show poker games on tv and some older films they don't even seem to know what they are doing or even know the rules.

GL teaching Kevin or maybe Idris the ropes

 

[John A]

Idris is playing Jessica's lawyer in the movie. It's neither of them, but good guesses.

I'll post some info here soon. I'm going to be going to a hollywood home game here with some of the celebs so I'll dish on what's going on with the movie, but I think it's going to be great for poker. Aaron gets involved in only top quality stuff, and is a very bright guy.

 

[John A]

just realised it would help if i posted Leakbuster Overall stats as per video.

I'm not great as seeing where the big leaks are in these but as Im losing so much on the River Now Showdown -(106bb) I guess the River Agg% should be alot higher then 29.9%.
Should Flop AGG, Turn AGG and River AGG be similar numbers

Also think WTSD% should be around 25% for 6MAX

River agg% is fine. WTSD is a little high, not horrible. I'd fold to steal a little more in the BB. I don't see CC% in there for some reason, and I'd flop my button open and SB open %. Those are backwards.

Most of your losses just come from your suited junk hands. If you cut those out, your bb/100 would be significantly higher.

 

[rhombus]

River agg% is fine. WTSD is a little high, not horrible. I'd fold to steal a little more in the BB. I don't see CC% in there for some reason, and I'd flop my button open and SB open %. Those are backwards.

Most of your losses just come from your suited junk hands. If you cut those out, your bb/100 would be significantly higher.

Thanks John

Just checked the list on Leak Buster - Overall Report and it isn't there on mine

 

[rhombus]

Actually just found it, its on the Leakbuster Position Report even though it has alot less stats than Leakbuster Overall.

Id say the CC% from Early isnt very good at 20%, not sure about the rest

 

[Figaroo2]

Rhom
I ran these same filters, I'm sort of hoping this sort of stuff will help me kick my bad calling habits and lack of aggression.
I am losing all streets prior to showdown and then killing showdown

Speaking of Filters I was looking at a video yesterday
HE was talking about non showdown winnings at about 10minutes and said ok to be losing Preflop but should be winning Flop, Turn And river

Preflop Non Showdown Winnings
Flop Either we took the pot down or got pushed out of the pot
Turn - Either we took the pot down or got pushed out of the pot
River - Either we took the pot down or got pushed out of the pot

When I checked mine going back to 01/01/2015 which is nearly half a million hands. I was as per the red figures.
..................................................... 2015......................... 2016
Losing Preflop 5.15bb/10 OK ......-7.2bb/100 ................ same
Winning FLOP 52.1 bb/100 OK... -14.8bb/100 ............-17bb/100
Winning TURN 28.3 bb/100 OK .... -32.0bb/100 ........... -8.4bb/100
Losing RIVER 106 bb/100 WTF.... -49.9bb/100 ........... -93bb/100

Showdown +360bb/100 2016 is +370

So what does it all mean??? Presumably must be more aggressive on all streets bar the showdown. Leakbuster is pretty much telling me this anyway but it is interesting to look at things in this fashion.
Looks like this year I'm folding less on the turn but still folding too much on the river prior to showdown.....need to bluff more maybe...nut peddler

 

[John A]

Actually just found it, its on the Leakbuster Position Report even though it has alot less stats than Leakbuster Overall.

Id say the CC% from Early isnt very good at 20%, not sure about the rest

Yeah, EP and BB aren't that great. They could be a bit lower for sure.

It's not horrible overall. It could be much worse. Initiative is super important. As long as you look to either be pushing the action, or somewhat trapping when you're calling, you'll be fine. But it's when you play the suited cruddy hands, or cold call with marginal hands, especially OOP, that you'll be playing losing poker. These are easily correctable, so that should hopefully be encouraging.

 

[John A]

I'll be on a sweat tomorrow for all of those who can make it. Let me know in here please. Thanks.

 

[Figaroo2]

I'll be around for the sweat Tuesday evening

Pacific, $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

Hero (SB): $45.42 (151.4 bb)
BB: $45.35 (151.2 bb)
MP1: $29.70 (99 bb)
MP2: $15 (50 bb)
MP3: $13.37 (44.6 bb)
CO: $31.97 (106.6 bb)
BTN: $30 (100 bb) VPIP: 31, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 8.0, Hands: 77

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

A

MP2 posts BB OOP, MP1 calls $0.30, MP2 checks, 2 folds, BTN raises to $1.20, Hero raises to $4.50, 3 folds, BTN calls $3.30

Flop: ($9.90) K

5

7

(2 players)
Hero bets $7.42, BTN calls $7.42

Turn: ($24.74) 9

(2 players)

Hero?
Villain was fishy, gets into a hand preflop and just bets, so I'm tempted to check call here but I don't want to give a free card to the diamond draw. Thoughts?
He only has $18.08 left behind