Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[Alucard]

pokerstars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 108.2 BB
SB: 67.1 BB
BB: 103 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 10)
UTG: 117.9 BB
MP: 89.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
CO: 100.2 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ks Kd
fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 5.5 BB

Flop : (17.5 BB, 2 players) 4h Jc Qc
CO checks, Hero bets 10 BB, CO raises to 92.2 BB and is all-in,

 

[Alucard]

http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: 4hQcJc
equity Win Tie
CO 67.33% 67.28% 0.05% { QQ-JJ, 44, QJs, AcTc, KcTc, Tc9c, 9c8c, AcQd, AcQh, AcQs }
BU 32.67% 32.62% 0.05% { KdKs }


Added a couple of semi bluffs +TPTKs with Ac. We need 41% I think.

with some SDs


http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: 4hQcJc
Equity Win Tie
CO 60.36% 60.27% 0.09% { QQ-JJ, 44, KTs, QJs, T9s, AcTc, 9c8c, AcQd, AcQh, AcQs }
BU 39.64% 39.55% 0.09% { KdKs }

 

[John A]

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 108.2 BB
SB: 67.1 BB
BB: 103 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
UTG: 117.9 BB
MP: 89.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
CO: 100.2 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ks Kd
fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 5.5 BB

Flop : (17.5 BB, 2 players) 4h Jc Qc
CO checks, Hero bets 10 BB, CO raises to 92.2 BB and is all-in,

Nm... didn't see you posted a range. Yeah, fold. I think if you weight the range, you're going to find less draws and TPTK that will just CRAI shove here and more 2 pair + sets.

Think you're going to be around here roughly.

This hand driven to you directly from DriveHUD Poker HUD & Database
Board: 4h Qc Jc Xx Xx


Equity Win Tie Hand Range

32.3683% 30.588% 1.7803% [ KsKd ]

67.6317% 65.8514% 1.7803% [ AA(50), QJo(50),AQs(100), ACTC(100), AC4C(100), JJ-KK(100), KTs(100), QJs(100), TC9C(100), 9C8C(100), 44(100) ]



So it's close mathematically. How much variance do you want?

 

[Figaroo2]

River?

Bit of recent history with villian having 3 bet hero 4 times in 5 rotations, he previously had a very tight 3 bet range of 2.5 in about 150 hands at the start of this session, so I gave his first two 3bets some respect. I then called the 4th 3bet with 77 and gave up on the flop. Here when when he raises pre again I 4bet with my best of the 4 hands. I'd been pretty active on this table mainly with good hands.
It almost felt like he'd had a lesson and was experimenting such was the unusual level of preflop from a normally passive donk.

Pacific, $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $73.08 (243.6 bb)
BB: $31.99 (106.6 bb)
UTG+2: $30 (100 bb)
MP1: $30 (100 bb)
Hero (MP2): $40.69 (135.6 bb)
MP3: $28.95 (96.5 bb)
CO: $34.71 (115.7 bb)VPIP: 27, PFR: 13, 3B: 8, AF: 1.6, Hands: 219
BTN: $29.55 (98.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q♥ A♥
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.90, MP3 folds, CO raises to $2.62, 3 folds, Hero raises to $5.46, CO calls $2.84

Flop: ($11.37) K♣ A♦ 2♠ (2 players)
Hero bets $2.70, CO calls $2.70
Sizing?

Turn: ($16.77) T♣ (2 players)
Hero bets $8.38, CO calls $8.38
sizing?
River: ($33.53) 3♦ (2 players)
Hero ?
Best course of action and any comment on post flop sizings?

 

[MemphisGrind]

I'm going to go ahead and post so that I'm subscribed. I'm on the third page reading through and even though it's from years ago. The information I'm reading so far is relevant in today's game. It's going to take me some time to make it through all 5000+ comments but at least this way I'll see all the new comments. Very cool that you're doing this.

 

[Alucard]

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 205.9 BB (VPIP: 31.65, PFR: 26.58, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 81)
SB: 559.7 BB (VPIP: 18.08, PFR: 15.29, 3Bet Preflop: 8.31, Hands: 993)
BB: 95.9 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
UTG: 87.9 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
MP: 103.7 BB (VPIP: 17.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
Hero (CO): 223.3 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ah Qs
fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop : (5.5 BB, 2 players) 2d Jd 8s
BB checks, Hero bets 3 BB, BB calls 3 BB

Turn : (11.5 BB, 2 players) As
BB checks, Hero bets 6.3 BB, BB calls 6.3 BB

River : (24.1 BB, 2 players) 3s
BB checks, Hero bets 7.6 BB, BB raises to 25.2 BB,

doesn't this line look really bluffy? I'm betting small to get calls from Jx.

 

[seeyouthru]

I'm going to go ahead and post so that I'm subscribed. I'm on the third page reading through and even though it's from years ago. The information I'm reading so far is relevant in today's game. It's going to take me some time to make it through all 5000+ comments but at least this way I'll see all the new comments. Very cool that you're doing this.

WoW Man You Really love poker.
[emoji3]

 

[MemphisGrind]

WoW Man You Really love poker.
[emoji3]

Yea. I do. I’m using my study time. To read and review. What I’ve learned in all aspects of life, is if I’m not happy with the results, then I’m not putting in enough hard work.

 

[John A]

Bit of recent history with villian having 3 bet hero 4 times in 5 rotations, he previously had a very tight 3 bet range of 2.5 in about 150 hands at the start of this session, so I gave his first two 3bets some respect. I then called the 4th 3bet with 77 and gave up on the flop. Here when when he raises pre again I 4bet with my best of the 4 hands. I'd been pretty active on this table mainly with good hands.
It almost felt like he'd had a lesson and was experimenting such was the unusual level of preflop from a normally passive donk.

Pacific, $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $73.08 (243.6 bb)
BB: $31.99 (106.6 bb)
UTG+2: $30 (100 bb)
MP1: $30 (100 bb)
Hero (MP2): $40.69 (135.6 bb)
MP3: $28.95 (96.5 bb)
CO: $34.71 (115.7 bb)VPIP: 27, PFR: 13, 3B: 8, AF: 1.6, Hands: 219
BTN: $29.55 (98.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q♥ A♥
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.90, MP3 folds, CO raises to $2.62, 3 folds, Hero raises to $5.46, CO calls $2.84

Flop: ($11.37) K♣ A♦ 2♠ (2 players)
Hero bets $2.70, CO calls $2.70
Sizing?

Turn: ($16.77) T♣ (2 players)
Hero bets $8.38, CO calls $8.38
sizing?
River: ($33.53) 3♦ (2 players)
Hero ?
Best course of action and any comment on post flop sizings?

I'd probably c/f the turn w/ that aggression and the fact he should check AJ behind. There's really no value in betting. As played C/f river.

Flop size is fine, maybe slightly bigger, and C/C some % of the time.

 

[John A]

I'm going to go ahead and post so that I'm subscribed. I'm on the third page reading through and even though it's from years ago. The information I'm reading so far is relevant in today's game. It's going to take me some time to make it through all 5000+ comments but at least this way I'll see all the new comments. Very cool that you're doing this.

Yes, and ask questions. The goal of polished poker was to provide tools on how to approach and think about poker. The games are always evolving and changing. Still, mostly all of the fundamentals are the same.

There are some bet sizing things we want to do slightly different today. Pre-flop, the game is more aggressive. Post flop it hasn't changed that much. Maybe slightly more aggressive at lower stakes than it used to be.

 

[John A]

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 205.9 BB (VPIP: 31.65, PFR: 26.58, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 81)
SB: 559.7 BB (VPIP: 18.08, PFR: 15.29, 3Bet Preflop: 8.31, Hands: 993)
BB: 95.9 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
UTG: 87.9 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
MP: 103.7 BB (VPIP: 17.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
Hero (CO): 223.3 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ah Qs
fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop : (5.5 BB, 2 players) 2d Jd 8s
BB checks, Hero bets 3 BB, BB calls 3 BB

Turn : (11.5 BB, 2 players) As
BB checks, Hero bets 6.3 BB, BB calls 6.3 BB

River : (24.1 BB, 2 players) 3s
BB checks, Hero bets 7.6 BB, BB raises to 25.2 BB,

doesn't this line look really bluffy? I'm betting small to get calls from Jx.

Yes of course. Usually river CR's at these smaller stakes are for value though. Even if the line makes no sense, it turns out the person was just playing their hand really poorly. Only 1 hand, I don't mind a call. My bolded point is what worries me in giving advice in these spots at these stakes.

 

[Alucard]

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 127.96 BB (VPIP: 20.69, PFR: 20.69, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 29)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (BB): 190.52 BB
UTG: 70.32 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: -, PFR: -, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
CO: 144.04 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 16.37, 3Bet Preflop: 8.39, Hands: 345)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Qh Ad
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, BTN calls 6.8 BB

Flop : (18.4 BB, 2 players) 2d Td As
Hero checks, BTN bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

Turn : (38.4 BB, 2 players) 4s
Hero checks, BTN bets 24.2 BB, Hero calls 24.2 BB

River : (86.8 BB, 2 players) 4c
Hero checks, BTN checks

line check? V is a very aggressive reg

 

[MemphisGrind]

Yes, and ask questions. The goal of polished poker was to provide tools on how to approach and think about poker. The games are always evolving and changing. Still, mostly all of the fundamentals are the same.

There are some bet sizing things we want to do slightly different today. Pre-flop, the game is more aggressive. Post flop it hasn't changed that much. Maybe slightly more aggressive at lower stakes than it used to be.

Of course. So here is a question. My knowledge of the game is as broad and polished as most that have been studying the game for 5+ years. I however have a difficult time in some situations "practicing what I preach" if you will. Like slowing myself down and really thinking through the hands

Because, in most online situations it is Sped up, to avoid multi day tournaments.(this is my guess) The blinds online are vastly shorter than when I play live. Therefore our decisions have to be sped up, and I end up going into default mode where I have my memorized ranges, memorized shove/fold, and in times of difficult situations when I should be playing the hand through my head to see if the line makes sense, I tend to use gut feeling to "save time"

When I give a hand analysis to others I feel like I am very detailed and gather all the information before making my decision. I wonder why I don't slow myself down and gather AS much detail when In the moment during a hand.

Can you shed some light on this, or am I doing what I should be and just don't have the time to analyze the hand during play?

 

[John A]

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 127.96 BB (VPIP: 20.69, PFR: 20.69, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 29)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (BB): 190.52 BB
UTG: 70.32 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: -, PFR: -, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
CO: 144.04 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 16.37, 3Bet Preflop: 8.39, Hands: 345)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Qh Ad
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, BTN calls 6.8 BB

Flop : (18.4 BB, 2 players) 2d Td As
Hero checks, BTN bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

Turn : (38.4 BB, 2 players) 4s
Hero checks, BTN bets 24.2 BB, Hero calls 24.2 BB

River : (86.8 BB, 2 players) 4c
Hero checks, BTN checks

line check? V is a very aggressive reg

You want to check in these spots w/ this hand sometimes against regs, especially aggressive regs, so it's fine. I'd lean towards a river VB. Lots of worse Ax in this spot he'll still call w/ for a 34 bb bet size. He won't bluff shove over.

 

[John A]

Of course. So here is a question. My knowledge of the game is as broad and polished as most that have been studying the game for 5+ years. I however have a difficult time in some situations "practicing what I preach" if you will. Like slowing myself down and really thinking through the hands

Because, in most online situations it is Sped up, to avoid multi day tournaments.(this is my guess) The blinds online are vastly shorter than when I play live. Therefore our decisions have to be sped up, and I end up going into default mode where I have my memorized ranges, memorized shove/fold, and in times of difficult situations when I should be playing the hand through my head to see if the line makes sense, I tend to use gut feeling to "save time"

When I give a hand analysis to others I feel like I am very detailed and gather all the information before making my decision. I wonder why I don't slow myself down and gather AS much detail when In the moment during a hand.

Can you shed some light on this, or am I doing what I should be and just don't have the time to analyze the hand during play?

Well, there's two things going on here. There's a psychological component, which is very hard to teach in this game, polished poker touches on some of these things. And there's a time factor. So some things you can do.

1) Time factor: Play less tables. Focus on the decisions you're at, and take notes on the games. This will force you to think deeper about the game and be more prepared. As you do this more often, you'll eventually find it more fluid to add back those tables.

2) Rash Decisions: Take a sticky note out, and write out two things you want to do w/ your game and stick it on your monitor. It's cheesy, but it works. Something like, play my A game, take all my clock before I decide. Get in the habit of running the clock all the way down, even for some more basic decisions, and take your time. New habits take something like 2 months or so to form. So just keep that in mind, but it will help change your mindset because right now it sounds like you're getting flustered and then just defaulting to an auto memorized line.

 

[Alucard]

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 137.84 BB
SB: 161.92 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
BB: 136.84 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: 240.76 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
CO: 42.12 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Jc Ad
fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, SB raises to 18 BB, fold, fold, fold

SB wins 12 BB


Can we flat here? V is unknown. I think 4betting or folding are the better options. Got into a bit of a discussion

 

[MemphisGrind]

Well, there's two things going on here. There's a psychological component, which is very hard to teach in this game, polished poker touches on some of these things. And there's a time factor. So some things you can do.

1) Time factor: Play less tables. Focus on the decisions you're at, and take notes on the games. This will force you to think deeper about the game and be more prepared. As you do this more often, you'll eventually find it more fluid to add back those tables.

2) Rash Decisions: Take a sticky note out, and write out two things you want to do w/ your game and stick it on your monitor. It's cheesy, but it works. Something like, play my A game, take all my clock before I decide. Get in the habit of running the clock all the way down, even for some more basic decisions, and take your time. New habits take something like 2 months or so to form. So just keep that in mind, but it will help change your mindset because right now it sounds like you're getting flustered and then just defaulting to an auto memorized line.

Thanks for that

 

[Alucard]

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 111.96 BB
SB: 112.84 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 19.35, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 32)
UTG: 107.92 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 11)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 6)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7s 7h
UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, fold

Flop : (10 BB, 3 players) 5c Th 7c
SB checks, UTG bets 7.16 BB, Hero calls 7.16 BB, fold

Turn : (24.32 BB, 2 players) 3s
UTG bets 17 BB, Hero calls 17 BB

River : (58.32 BB, 2 players) Ad
UTG checks, Hero bets 37 BB, UTG raises to 80.76 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 43.76 BB

UTG shows Ah Ac (Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 80%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)

Hero shows 7s 7h (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
(Pre 20%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)

UTG wins 211.84 BB


my std play would be to raise flop & gii turn probably but I thought raising 3way is bit too strong. can't really fold river but smelled aces big time

 

[seeyouthru]

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 111.96 BB
SB: 112.84 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 19.35, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 32)
UTG: 107.92 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 11)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 6)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7s 7h
UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, fold

Flop : (10 BB, 3 players) 5c Th 7c
SB checks, UTG bets 7.16 BB, Hero calls 7.16 BB, fold

Turn : (24.32 BB, 2 players) 3s
UTG bets 17 BB, Hero calls 17 BB

River : (58.32 BB, 2 players) Ad
UTG checks, Hero bets 37 BB, UTG raises to 80.76 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 43.76 BB

UTG shows Ah Ac (Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 80%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)

Hero shows 7s 7h (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
(Pre 20%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)

UTG wins 211.84 BB


my std play would be to raise flop & gii turn probably but I thought raising 3way is bit too strong. can't really fold river but smelled aces big time

You Should have raised the turn.
Apart From That you played it fine!
Just poker Happened on River!

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[Figaroo2]

Pacific, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $26.43 (52.9 bb)
BB: $69.57 (139.1 bb)VPIP: 30, PFR: 19, 3B: 3, AF: 1.6, Hands: 89​

Hero (UTG): $71.08 (142.2 bb)

MP: $50 (100 bb)
CO: $71.88 (143.8 bb)​

BTN: $70.78 (141.6 bb)VPIP: 25, PFR: 17, 3B: 20, AF: 1.8, Hands: 24

Preflop

: Hero is UTG with 5d♦ 5c♣
Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, BTN raises to $5, SB folds, BB calls $4.50, Hero calls $3.50
BB is confirmed fishy and BTN looking that was as well so I called here whereas id normally fold to regs.​

Flop

: ($15.25) Jh ♥Kd♦ 5s♠ (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $10.16, BB folds, Hero calls $10.16​

Turn

: ($35.57) 7h♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $23.71, Hero? Simple Q, Gii now or call again?
​

 

[John A]

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 137.84 BB
SB: 161.92 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
BB: 136.84 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: 240.76 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
CO: 42.12 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Jc Ad
fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, SB raises to 18 BB, fold, fold, fold

SB wins 12 BB


Can we flat here? V is unknown. I think 4betting or folding are the better options. Got into a bit of a discussion

Folding is the best play against an unknown here. If you're 4-betting, what size are you 4-betting?

 

[John A]

Thanks for that

Sure, yw. I hope there's something there that can help. It's not one of the easier topics to discuss in forums.

 

[John A]

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 111.96 BB
SB: 112.84 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 19.35, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 32)
UTG: 107.92 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 11)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 6)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7s 7h
UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, fold

Flop : (10 BB, 3 players) 5c Th 7c
SB checks, UTG bets 7.16 BB, Hero calls 7.16 BB, fold

Turn : (24.32 BB, 2 players) 3s
UTG bets 17 BB, Hero calls 17 BB

River : (58.32 BB, 2 players) Ad
UTG checks, Hero bets 37 BB, UTG raises to 80.76 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 43.76 BB

UTG shows Ah Ac (Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 80%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)

Hero shows 7s 7h (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
(Pre 20%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)

UTG wins 211.84 BB


my std play would be to raise flop & gii turn probably but I thought raising 3way is bit too strong. can't really fold river but smelled aces big time

Well... so your hand looks strong, but his hand is also strong if he's betting that turn after being called 3-way. So shove or small turn raise is preferred. I don't hate calling down, but you also risk say when someone has JJ-KK and an A hits on the river. In your exact hand, there's some reasonable draws that missed, so you might get a call when that hits, but why chance it, or one of the big draws comes in and you can't get max value because of it.

I think calling the flop is std. The turn I'd be raising most of the time if my opponent is betting again.

 

[John A]

Pacific, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $26.43 (52.9 bb)
BB: $69.57 (139.1 bb)VPIP: 30, PFR: 19, 3B: 3, AF: 1.6, Hands: 89​

Hero (UTG): $71.08 (142.2 bb)

MP: $50 (100 bb)
CO: $71.88 (143.8 bb)​

BTN: $70.78 (141.6 bb)VPIP: 25, PFR: 17, 3B: 20, AF: 1.8, Hands: 24

Preflop

: Hero is UTG with 5d♦ 5c♣
Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, BTN raises to $5, SB folds, BB calls $4.50, Hero calls $3.50
BB is confirmed fishy and BTN looking that was as well so I called here whereas id normally fold to regs.​

Flop

: ($15.25) Jh ♥Kd♦ 5s♠ (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $10.16, BB folds, Hero calls $10.16​

Turn

: ($35.57) 7h♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $23.71, Hero? Simple Q, Gii now or call again?
​

Same hand as above almost. MW on the flop, call. Turn he's still betting there, you need to be raising.

 

[Alucard]

Folding is the best play against an unknown here. If you're 4-betting, what size are you 4-betting?

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