Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[John A]

Thanks, just uploaded the LB6Max Hud and made couple of minor changes will try for a bit
although not sure what the significance of W$WSF i know its for Won $ when saw flop but what figure should i be looking for myself and what for opponents to exploit

Also never used the Rasied PF early and MP im assuming that is just to show their positional knowledge and if they are really strong if 4% and PFR is about 18%

My previous one I had Steal and Fold to Steal and recently added the aggression for each street

The early unopened will help with flatting and 3-betting ranges for you. Steal and fold to steal don't really change much and aren't too helpful to use imho. If someone is 25/22, then you know about what their steal range is in when they are in the CO/BTN. Same with fold to steal. Is someone is 19/16, you know they will fold more. These are things that you can infer pretty easy that just clutter up your HUD imho.

 

[John A]

Here's one of those hands that gets me in trouble. I wasn't sure what to do on the river. Do I bet here should I have checked? With stack sizes the way they were I couldn't really put out a small bet because IMO it would have looked too weak. Villain to my right had just been stacked by villain to my left so I felt he was tilting a bit on his hand.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

UTG ($2.30)
UTG+1 ($1.05)
Hero (MP1) ($2.01)
MP2 ($1.88)
CO ($6.02)
Button ($1.84)
SB ($1.90)
BB ($2.21)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K

, Q

1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.06, 1 fold, CO calls $0.06, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.21) J

, 9

, Q

(3 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.12, Hero raises to $0.28, CO calls $0.28, UTG+1 calls $0.16

Turn: ($1.05) 3

(3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.58, CO calls $0.58, UTG+1 calls $0.58

River: ($2.79) 6

(3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $1.09 (All-In), 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.13 (All-In)

Total pot: $3.05 | Rake: $0.11

Results below:

Spoiler

UTG+1 had J

, 9

(two pair, Jacks and nines).
Hero had K

, Q

(one pair, Queens).
Outcome: UTG+1 won $2.94

Should I have checked the turn here for pot size control?

I'd raise more pre-flop. It's best to ISO these guys a little larger in position.

This is going to be an action flop, so if you were prepared to stack off, I like the raise. Probably not the best spot multi-way though so I'd just call the flop and look the bet or possibly raise the turn depending on the action on the flop. As played, kind of awkward stacks, but I think the rest is ok.

 

[Sneaky Feet]

Thanks for your input on the above hand John. When you suggest raising more pre to isolate should I be following some sort of rule? I've heard of this 3bb plus 1bb for every limper. Would this have been better or should I have raised considerably more?

Also can I ask a question about squeezing and isolating from late position? As you're all aware there are a lot of fish at 2nl and 5nl (Funny. A fish calling fish, fish) to this point I've been pretty selective with hands to raise and or squeeze with against fish because it's tougher to put them on a range, but I feel that if I were to open up a little more I may have more opportunities to exploit them.

I feel I'm pretty loose in late position already but am thinking of adding in A high K high non suited. So some really fishy hands IMO.

Thoughts?

 

[John A]

Thanks for your input on the above hand John. When you suggest raising more pre to isolate should I be following some sort of rule? I've heard of this 3bb plus 1bb for every limper. Would this have been better or should I have raised considerably more?

Also can I ask a question about squeezing and isolating from late position? As you're all aware there are a lot of fish at 2nl and 5nl (Funny. A fish calling fish, fish) to this point I've been pretty selective with hands to raise and or squeeze with against fish because it's tougher to put them on a range, but I feel that if I were to open up a little more I may have more opportunities to exploit them.

I feel I'm pretty loose in late position already but am thinking of adding in A high K high non suited. So some really fishy hands IMO.

Thoughts?

I think at these stakes you should be ISOing around 3.5-4 BB + 1 BB per limper. It just means more money for you, especially when you're in position.

There's no set formula to what you should be opening. Your goal should always be to get in as many pots (within reason) as you can with the weak players. In position this means playing much more marginal hands because you'll be able to exploit them the most by betting your hands better, and getting away from hands where they generally will over play weaker hands. Do some experimenting, and post and questionable hands, situation you have.

 

[Figaroo2]

do we call here he is quite loose?

poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

Hero (SB): $25 (100 bb)
BB: $25.97 (103.9 bb)
BTN: $25.68 (102.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Td Ts
4 folds, BTN calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, BB raises to $3, BTN folds, Hero calls $2 he is pretty lag I might fold to a tighter player but not to this guy. We already have had some bnb action, he is sticky.

Flop: ($6.25) 6d 4c 7h (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: ($6.25) 9d (2 players) a little more equity with the gutshot so I took a stab.
Hero bets $2.98, BB calls $2.98

River: ($12.21) 4d (2 players) I feel like I should put in a blocking bet here maybe 25% what do you think? Cheaper than calling what looks like a value bet.
Hero checks, BB bets $6.25, Hero ?

 

[Figaroo2]

My worst hand of the month

I mean how can I not bet this turn for value against this fish?.
I can only think I must have seen his agg stats and though he would fire the turn with anything half decent if I checked so I could check raise. I'm not scared of the flush as we already have a boat. I know its a cooler but a decent bet on the turn presumably folds out the 7s.

(Poker Stars) $25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em
Table Electra (real money) 9 handed full ring
Seat 5 is the button

Seat 4 CO: Player4 ( $14.00 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 22, 3B: 0, AF: 2.5, Hands: 18
Seat 6 SB: Hero ( $25.10 USD )

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 4c 4s ]

Player4 raises [$0.75 USD]
Hero calls [$0.65 USD]

** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 8c, 4d ]
Hero bets [$0.83 USD]
Player4 calls [$0.83 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
Hero checks
Player4 checks
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
Hero bets [$2.44 USD]
Player4 raises [$12.42 USD]
Hero calls [$9.98 USD]
Player4 shows [7c, 7d ]
Player4 wins $26.98 USD from main pot

 

[Figaroo2]

I think standards are getting worse recently

How can you fail against players like this?
(Poker Stars) $10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em
Table Isergina (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat BB: Player1 ( $22.82 USD ) - VPIP: 84, PFR: 21, 3B: 0, AF: 3.6, Hands: 19
Seat CO: Player7 ( $3.83 USD ) - VPIP: 67, PFR: 35, 3B: 11, AF: 2.3, Hands: 126
Seat BTN Hero ( $24.04 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 9, 3B: 3.4,

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 7h 7d ]
Player7 raises [$0.20 USD]
Hero calls [$0.20 USD]
Player1 calls [$0.10 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7s, Jh, 8d ]
Player1 checks
Player7 bets [$0.40 USD]
Hero calls [$0.40 USD] I want to keep the BB in here
Player1 calls [$0.40 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ]
Player1 bets [$3.60 USD] and that is why
Player7 calls [$3.23 USD] and is ALL IN
Hero calls [$3.60 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 9c ]
Player1 checks
Hero bets [$8.79 USD] sizing? looks like i'm trying to leave him with 10 bucks
Player1 calls [$8.79 USD]
Hero shows [7h, 7d ]
Hero wins $17.50 USD from main pot
Hero wins $11.02 USD from main pot
Player1 doesn't show [5d, 8h ] even I had to double take at this garbage
Player7 doesn't show [Jc, Ts ] at least this was a reasonable holding.

 

[Fisi]

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

Hero (SB): $25 (100 bb)
BB: $25.97 (103.9 bb)
BTN: $25.68 (102.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Td Ts
4 folds, BTN calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, BB raises to $3, BTN folds, Hero calls $2 he is pretty lag I might fold to a tighter player but not to this guy. We already have had some bnb action, he is sticky.

Flop: ($6.25) 6d 4c 7h (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: ($6.25) 9d (2 players) a little more equity with the gutshot so I took a stab.
Hero bets $2.98, BB calls $2.98

River: ($12.21) 4d (2 players) I feel like I should put in a blocking bet here maybe 25% what do you think? Cheaper than calling what looks like a value bet.
Hero checks, BB bets $6.25, Hero ?

Hmmm, tough one. A blocker bet would have been the best idea yes, perhaps a bit bigger, 35-50%, as he is probably calling with a lot of medium pairs. As far as calling the river, I think he checks behind with 6x but given how passive the hand was played out, he might go for value here with 7x, 88, 9x, also he could be bluffing with overs here, so I think you should call. If the hand was played more aggresively then it's a lot tougher. I think in that case he checks behind all of the medium pairs and his value betting range would be much stronger, also he would have much less of a bluffing range here.

 

[Fisi]

I mean how can I not bet this turn for value against this fish?.
I can only think I must have seen his agg stats and though he would fire the turn with anything half decent if I checked so I could check raise. I'm not scared of the flush as we already have a boat. I know its a cooler but a decent bet on the turn presumably folds out the 7s.

(Poker Stars) $25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em
Table Electra (Real Money) 9 handed full ring
Seat 5 is the button

Seat 4 CO: Player4 ( $14.00 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 22, 3B: 0, AF: 2.5, Hands: 18
Seat 6 SB: Hero ( $25.10 USD )

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 4c 4s ]

Player4 raises [$0.75 USD]
Hero calls [$0.65 USD]

** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 8c, 4d ]
Hero bets [$0.83 USD]
Player4 calls [$0.83 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
Hero checks
Player4 checks
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
Hero bets [$2.44 USD]
Player4 raises [$12.42 USD]
Hero calls [$9.98 USD]
Player4 shows [7c, 7d ]
Player4 wins $26.98 USD from main pot

I'm betting the turn here. It's a tough card for him to represent anything and it hits your range quite a bit, so I don't think he will bluff here often. He might be calling with medium pairs and is probably calling with FD, SD, so betting here again is probably best.

 

[Fisi]

How can you fail against players like this?
(Poker Stars) $10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em
Table Isergina (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat BB: Player1 ( $22.82 USD ) - VPIP: 84, PFR: 21, 3B: 0, AF: 3.6, Hands: 19
Seat CO: Player7 ( $3.83 USD ) - VPIP: 67, PFR: 35, 3B: 11, AF: 2.3, Hands: 126
Seat BTN Hero ( $24.04 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 9, 3B: 3.4,

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 7h 7d ]
Player7 raises [$0.20 USD]
Hero calls [$0.20 USD]
Player1 calls [$0.10 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7s, Jh, 8d ]
Player1 checks
Player7 bets [$0.40 USD]
Hero calls [$0.40 USD] I want to keep the BB in here
Player1 calls [$0.40 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ]
Player1 bets [$3.60 USD] and that is why
Player7 calls [$3.23 USD] and is ALL IN
Hero calls [$3.60 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 9c ]
Player1 checks
Hero bets [$8.79 USD] sizing? looks like i'm trying to leave him with 10 bucks
Player1 calls [$8.79 USD]
Hero shows [7h, 7d ]
Hero wins $17.50 USD from main pot
Hero wins $11.02 USD from main pot
Player1 doesn't show [5d, 8h ] even I had to double take at this garbage
Player7 doesn't show [Jc, Ts ] at least this was a reasonable holding.

Lucky you . I wish there were players like this on speed on iPoker

 

[John A]

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

Hero (SB): $25 (100 bb)
BB: $25.97 (103.9 bb)
BTN: $25.68 (102.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Td Ts
4 folds, BTN calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, BB raises to $3, BTN folds, Hero calls $2 he is pretty lag I might fold to a tighter player but not to this guy. We already have had some bnb action, he is sticky.

Flop: ($6.25) 6d 4c 7h (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: ($6.25) 9d (2 players) a little more equity with the gutshot so I took a stab.
Hero bets $2.98, BB calls $2.98

River: ($12.21) 4d (2 players) I feel like I should put in a blocking bet here maybe 25% what do you think? Cheaper than calling what looks like a value bet.
Hero checks, BB bets $6.25, Hero ?

Ya, I don't think blocker bet is horrible here. I'm typically not a fan of the play. But between the two I think I like c/cing a little better. He seems bad enough to have played a lot of draws, gutters, etc this bad and make a bad sized bluff. I think his range is pretty polarized to flush or air so I'd call.

 

[John A]

I mean how can I not bet this turn for value against this fish?.
I can only think I must have seen his agg stats and though he would fire the turn with anything half decent if I checked so I could check raise. I'm not scared of the flush as we already have a boat. I know its a cooler but a decent bet on the turn presumably folds out the 7s.

(Poker Stars) $25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em
Table Electra (Real Money) 9 handed full ring
Seat 5 is the button

Seat 4 CO: Player4 ( $14.00 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 22, 3B: 0, AF: 2.5, Hands: 18
Seat 6 SB: Hero ( $25.10 USD )

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 4c 4s ]

Player4 raises [$0.75 USD]
Hero calls [$0.65 USD]

** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 8c, 4d ]
Hero bets [$0.83 USD]
Player4 calls [$0.83 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
Hero checks
Player4 checks
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
Hero bets [$2.44 USD]
Player4 raises [$12.42 USD]
Hero calls [$9.98 USD]
Player4 shows [7c, 7d ]
Player4 wins $26.98 USD from main pot

One important thing about this hand. I like the flop lead, but when you do lead like this, go ahead and keep betting. Especially on a board like this where you're going to get a lot of check behinds with top pair pairing, and likely with a lot of draws that you miss value on. I like a bet, turn check more with a set if the board was more broadway heavy. As played, that's a pretty disciplined call. We'd expect him to bet a T on the turn, and you don't have any agg stats, so I don't think it's a bad call. A jam is pretty close though.

 

[Figaroo2]

One important thing about this hand. I like the flop lead, but when you do lead like this, go ahead and keep betting. Especially on a board like this where you're going to get a lot of check behinds with top pair pairing, and likely with a lot of draws that you miss value on. I like a bet, turn check more with a set if the board was more broadway heavy. As played, that's a pretty disciplined call. We'd expect him to bet a T on the turn, and you don't have any agg stats, so I don't think it's a bad call. A jam is pretty close though.

In the original posting there was a screen shot of the hand to include the hitman hud. He was 28/22 Ag% 56 (full ring) which is why I expected a turn bet.

 

[Figaroo2]

Ya, I don't think blocker bet is horrible here. I'm typically not a fan of the play. But between the two I think I like c/cing a little better. He seems bad enough to have played a lot of draws, gutters, etc this bad and make a bad sized bluff. I think his range is pretty polarized to flush or air so I'd call.

Originally Posted by Figaroo2
Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
Hero (SB): $25 (100 bb)
BB: $25.97 (103.9 bb)
BTN: $25.68 (102.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Td Ts
4 folds, BTN calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, BB raises to $3, BTN folds, Hero calls $2
Flop: ($6.25) 6d 4c 7h (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks
Turn: ($6.25) 9d (2 players) a little more equity with the gutshot so I took a stab.
Hero bets $2.98, BB calls $2.98
River: ($12.21) 4d (2 players) I feel like I should put in a blocking bet here maybe 25% what do you think? Cheaper than calling what looks like a value bet.
Hero checks, BB bets $6.25, Hero ?


I called and this guy flipped over AA.!

 

[John A]

In the original posting there was a screen shot of the hand to include the hitman hud. He was 28/22 Ag% 56 (full ring) which is why I expected a turn bet.

Then maybe bet small and try and induce a raise. That's good that you're thinking about AGG and that you had a plan on the turn. But also consider board texture as an important part of your plan also. If the board is more broadway heavy, then I like the turn check a lot more.

 

[John A]

Originally Posted by Figaroo2
Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
Hero (SB): $25 (100 bb)
BB: $25.97 (103.9 bb)
BTN: $25.68 (102.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Td Ts
4 folds, BTN calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, BB raises to $3, BTN folds, Hero calls $2
Flop: ($6.25) 6d 4c 7h (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks
Turn: ($6.25) 9d (2 players) a little more equity with the gutshot so I took a stab.
Hero bets $2.98, BB calls $2.98
River: ($12.21) 4d (2 players) I feel like I should put in a blocking bet here maybe 25% what do you think? Cheaper than calling what looks like a value bet.
Hero checks, BB bets $6.25, Hero ?


I called and this guy flipped over AA.!

Hehe.... yeah, that's going to happen sometimes. People will just botch hands and play them really poorly. I think the check/call is good though.

 

[rhombus]

slightly off topic but as well as trying to transition back to nlhe cash from PLO and PLO8 would the Leakbuster HUD work for 6max and FR PLO and PLO8 or is it primarily for NLHE

 

[John A]

slightly off topic but as well as trying to transition back to nlhe cash from PLO and PLO8 would the Leakbuster HUD work for 6max and FR PLO and PLO8 or is it primarily for NLHE

It was just made for NLHE. I could put a PLO one together though. I'll have to give it some thought.

 

[rhombus]

It was just made for NLHE. I could put a PLO one together though. I'll have to give it some thought.

No probs, just wanted to check if OK to use for PLO or PLO8

 

[Figaroo2]

welcome to 50 nl LINE CHECK PLEASE

Thought I'd open a 50nl table for a while seeing as how its a weekend.
Taken by a fish...
LINE CHECK PLEASE

Poker Stars $50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, July 26, 05:11:24 ET 2014
Table Wilhelmina II (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 6: Player6 ( $26.55 USD ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 105
Seat 7: Hero ( $50.00 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 2.1, Hands: 118067
Seat 8: Player8 ( $26.04 USD ) - VPIP: 50, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 8
Hero posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
Player8 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 7h Ad ]
Player6 raises [$1.00 USD]
Hero raises [$2.25 USD]
Player8 calls [$2.00 USD]
Player6 calls [$1.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, Ah, 8d ]
Hero bets [$3.58 USD] (bigger?)
Player8 calls [$3.58 USD]
Player6 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ] Everything I've seen of this guy points to him being a fish. He is sitting with half a stack and playing half the hands. I decided to put him all in with my two pair.
Hero bets [$20.00 USD]
Player8 calls [$19.96 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Qh ]
Hero shows [7h, Ad ]
Player8 shows [9s, Ts ]
Player8 wins $52.12 USD from main pot

 

[Tab13]

This is awesome. Have alot of reading to do i see.

 

[John A]

Thought I'd open a 50nl table for a while seeing as how its a weekend.
Taken by a fish...
LINE CHECK PLEASE

Poker Stars $50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, July 26, 05:11:24 ET 2014
Table Wilhelmina II (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 6: Player6 ( $26.55 USD ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 105
Seat 7: Hero ( $50.00 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 2.1, Hands: 118067
Seat 8: Player8 ( $26.04 USD ) - VPIP: 50, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 8
Hero posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
Player8 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 7h Ad ]
Player6 raises [$1.00 USD]
Hero raises [$2.25 USD]
Player8 calls [$2.00 USD]
Player6 calls [$1.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, Ah, 8d ]
Hero bets [$3.58 USD] (bigger?)
Player8 calls [$3.58 USD]
Player6 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ] Everything I've seen of this guy points to him being a fish. He is sitting with half a stack and playing half the hands. I decided to put him all in with my two pair.
Hero bets [$20.00 USD]
Player8 calls [$19.96 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Qh ]
Hero shows [7h, Ad ]
Player8 shows [9s, Ts ]
Player8 wins $52.12 USD from main pot

Is this full ring? What's with the small 3-bet? Yes, bet flop bigger. The turn is fine though.

 

[Figaroo2]

Is this full ring? What's with the small 3-bet? Yes, bet flop bigger. The turn is fine though.

Yes it was full ring. I actually think this hand suffered from having too many tables open and playing on autopilot. I will look at this, it looks pretty clear that im not thinking properly about sizing and just auto clicking buttons.
Normally out of position in the small blind i'd make it x3.5 to x4 here.
I think the fish would have come along regardless though.
I do remember not stopping to think about this hand until the turn but he had already made his hand. No way im ever putting him on 10 9 there.

 

[John A]

It's just not a matter of not having the fish come along. We want the fish to come along, but just as a standard ISO 3-beting play you'll want to make the sizing a bit larger. I think the rest is ok. You could make an argument for making a small turn bet and shoving river since you're not folding regardless of the river.

 

[John A]

Alright, I'm having one of those epic bad runs you have as a poker player every so often. Always fun... I'm in the process of moving as well, so just a ton of things going on this summer.

Any ways, I wanted to bring up another important point since I was talking about this with someone the other day. It involved a hand where they bluffed with so-so equity OOP on not a great board. It brought up a point I like to emphasize.

Keep almost all of your bluffing to in position.

It's common sense, but it makes a huge difference. When you can apply pressure to your opponent in position, you'll get massively better results than OOP. OOP you should be playing more defensive, and only bluffing high equity spots.

That being said... no one folds anymore, so don't bluff. lol

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