Facing a big bet on the river.

[najisami]

Hello players,

More than often when we hit a "somewhat" nice hand and we bet it, we encounter resistance.
I want to illustrate with an example and ask for some insight.

I raised 3x with from MP and the BB called (MTT, barely in ITM).
Flop: .
I bet 1/2 the pot and got called.
I bet 1/2 the pot again when a hit the turn and he called.

When the river was dealt, the board looked like this: .
He checked again, but when I bet 1/2 again, he shoved about 3/4s of my stack.

What should I do if:

1) That player was a maniac ?
2) He is a regular TAG ?
3) A recreational fish ?

 

[thedarkman]

I no longer play cash games but it is a racing certainty that whichever way you go, you will be wrong. The other night some clown raised with K6 off-suit and made a house. If you or I did that, what sort of flop do you think we'd get?

 

[Poker_Mike]

Hello players,

More than often when we hit a "somewhat" nice hand and we bet it, we encounter resistance.
I want to illustrate with an example and ask for some insight.

I raised 3x with from MP and the BB called (MTT, barely in ITM).
Flop: .
I bet 1/2 the pot and got called.
I bet 1/2 the pot again when a hit the turn and he called.

When the river was dealt, the board looked like this: .
He checked again, but when I bet 1/2 again, he shoved about 3/4s of my stack.

What should I do if:

1) That player was a maniac ?
2) He is a regular TAG ?
3) A recreational fish ?

My question is what hand do you put your villain on that he would call your river bet?

He could easily have 2 pair.

I mean K-rag should pay you and not re-raise out of position.

I'm guessing he has some crappy 2 pair that he defended his BB with.

 

[dreamer13]

River strategy requires calculating probabilities almost instantly in real time. With experience, most people develop this ability.bluffing is perfect if the hand is passive. Option: every single player checks on the turn. The highest probability is that the one who can bet first will win the pot. The tactic can be implemented in a situation where you are left alone. If there are more opponents, the strategy will not bring the expected win.

 

[najisami]

I no longer play cash games but it is a racing certainty that whichever way you go, you will be wrong. The other night some clown raised with K6 off-suit and made a house. If you or I did that, what sort of flop do you think we'd get?

It says : MTT, barely ITM.

 

[jonasz warzecha]

i smell set on the flop

 

[najisami]

My question is what hand do you put your villain on that he would call your river bet?

It depends on the villain actually. That's why I'm looking for 3 different answers. What hand would you put each type on?
And he did not call my river bet, he shoved.

 

[najisami]

i smell set on the flop

No matter what type that player is?

 

[ROYALROAD]

It all depends on the situation at hand. If it's 1v1, I think you have a high chance of winning, so do your best.

 

[najisami]

It all depends on the situation at hand. If it's 1v1, I think you have a high chance of winning, so do your best.

It is 1 vs 1 as described in the scenario. The thing is, what to do in each situation?

 

[Poker_Mike]

It depends on the villain actually. That's why I'm looking for 3 different answers. What hand would you put each type on?
And he did not call my river bet, he shoved.

I could certainly be wrong.....

Maniac = call
TAG = fold
Rec Player = fold because shoving on river is too sophisticated of a move for rec players. Unless you've seen him do it before for the loss.

And then of course - how much is in the pot? Stack sizes?

 

[Bhargav]

he can have two pair or flush, my guess

 

[pavel1111111]

Just fold !!!! With 2 strong calls , he easly beats one pair !!! So that îs not a hard decision for you 🤙....or you dont have a button fold...?!?!

 

[phantoma69]

You should check river after turn and river opens 2 more hearts, and just see does ur hand wins!

 

[besttest11]

Maniac: Call
TAG: Fold
Recreational Fish: Call unless they tend to be passive, in which case folding is safer.

 

[ninocabral]

he could have hit 2 pair a king nine, or a three of a kind, or he could have been 2-handed on the flop with heart cards and ended up hitting the flush on the river, or he bluffed on the river due to the size of his bet, on the turn his half-pot bet was small since he had drawn for a straight and a flush on the board, you made the same bet size as on the flop which doesn't make much sense in my opinion, on the river it was check or all in depending on your stack.

 

[ninocabral]

Hello players,

More than often when we hit a "somewhat" nice hand and we bet it, we encounter resistance.
I want to illustrate with an example and ask for some insight.

I raised 3x with from MP and the BB called (MTT, barely in ITM).
Flop: .
I bet 1/2 the pot and got called.
I bet 1/2 the pot again when a hit the turn and he called.

When the river was dealt, the board looked like this: .
He checked again, but when I bet 1/2 again, he shoved about 3/4s of my stack.

What should I do if:

1) That player was a maniac ?
2) He is a regular TAG ?
3) A recreational fish ?

maniac: fold he easily hit 2 pair or flush

regular: it depends, you have to know the way he plays if he doesn't bluff a lot and fold otherwise and call he could have been waiting for the straight to not hit and decided to bluff the flop because he felt weak in his turn bet

fish: I think fish the most profitable option would have been for you not to have bet on the river and to have checked

 

[maronza1]

What hands do you beat there?
Is calling a river jam with a pair profitable?
What do you think he has that he decided to defend his bb with?

From the board, I think he has two pair K9, not flush
I dont think he can defend a hand like K3, K6, K4

On the flop there was no flush draw, so he cannot continue that hand without 2 hearts on the board
So he slow played the river, which might have given him two pair
I think he is a maniac

Here is an example of how a maniac or maniacs plays, this is a league hand, I folded a top pair, I had KQ

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[najisami]

he can have two pair or flush, my guess

Definitely possible. But what type of player would you put on what?

 

[najisami]

I could certainly be wrong.....

Maniac = call
TAG = fold
Rec Player = fold because shoving on river is too sophisticated of a move for rec players. Unless you've seen him do it before for the loss.

And then of course - how much is in the pot? Stack sizes?

I agree with you. Might call the Tag if I had a good reason (Depending on what he's been doing) and call the Rec if the flush has not been completed. I could be wrong too ofc.
Thank you for the insight.

 

[bowserdon]

AK most overated hand IMHO

 

[najisami]

You should check river after turn and river opens 2 more hearts

That's precisely why I'm interested in getting opinions in regard of player type. I don't think I should check no matter who the opponent is.
Thank you for your input.

 

[najisami]

maniac: fold he easily hit 2 pair or flush

regular: it depends, you have to know the way he plays if he doesn't bluff a lot and fold otherwise and call he could have been waiting for the straight to not hit and decided to bluff the flop because he felt weak in his turn bet

fish: I think fish the most profitable option would have been for you not to have bet on the river and to have checked

Kind of agree with #2 and 3. Not with the maniac case.

 

[najisami]

I think he is a maniac

I was actually looking for opinions regarding the 3 different types. Thank you for the input Ron.

 

[najisami]

AK most overated hand IMHO

But in this example, you got dealt AK and you have to deal with it depending on the type of player you're facing. So what would you do in each case?