Live Poker in Casinos with more skill

[Sunz of Beaches]

My favourite idea would be: At the end of the hand everyone has to reveal what cards they got. Like this there would be more skill involved as lots of information is revealed about how people play.

What about ur idea to make live poker in casinos more skill based?

 

[Tammy]

Ohhhhh... no no no no. I for one, would not participate at such a table. That's the beauty of poker - it's not always about playing your hand, it's about playing the player, your position, etc. Showing all cards at the end would be giving my opponents much too much information.

This could be a fun concept though for beginners. Kind of like when you are teaching friends/family a new card game, and you have a few practice rounds first to help them understand how it works. I have done this for home poker games, when people have no idea how to play.

 

[bazza155]

NO There would not be more skill involved there would be less as information would easy to get, If you want every hand revealed you may just as well play one card turnover.

 

[bermejoga]

No... call my bet if you wanna see my cards

 

[machinm19]

I get the premise as some sort of fun variant but I always remember the first time I folded a good hand and asking the guy what he had “you gotta pay to see” he said and for me that is an integral part of the game.

 

[dannystanks]

In my home game we sometimes play where you have to show one hand during the tournament when asked and it’s a lot of fun.

 

[GrannySmit77]

In live poker already the game is slower. I'd rather play more hands than waste time to show everyone the 2 3 not suited hand that I just folded. Also, let say, my draw doesn't get here and I bluff my opponent off his hand. Why would I want him to know what precise hands I had and how I play them? Why give out free information? There are no friends at the poker table.

 

[Kaesetoast]

More skill involved means worse tables/fewer fish.
Think about the extreme version of this, the ultimate skill game - chess, for example. It becomes very easy to say who's better, and a worse player would be better off playing blackjack.

 

[SPANKYSN]

I would not be in favour of showing cards at the end of each hand…that would slow the game down to a crawl and sometimes a player can make a play that is unsuccessful this time, but can set them up for a big win in future hands.

 

[Shadow6969]

That’s a really interesting idea. Full hand reveals would massively increase the information layer and definitely reward memory, pattern recognition, and long-term adjustments. It would turn live poker into something much closer to a pure strategy game, but it would also change the soul of poker—bluffing, deception, and incomplete information are a huge part of what makes it special.
If I had to suggest ways to make live poker more skill-based without breaking it, I’d focus on better structures: deeper stacks, longer levels, and fewer rake traps. I’d also love to see optional hand-history access after sessions, or delayed reveals in special formats. The key is increasing decision depth while keeping uncertainty alive—that’s where real skill shines.

 

[SpanRmonka]

Click bait alert!!!

Great job BTW

 

[puzzlefish]

Well, in WPT Global, you can just purchase everyone's cards at the end of the round for a small fee. So it isn't far fetched and I am sure casinos would enjoy this kind of setup.. more money for them!

 

[Poker Orifice]

Well, in WPT Global, you can just purchase everyone's cards at the end of the round for a small fee. So it isn't far fetched and I am sure casinos would enjoy this kind of setup.. more money for them!

aside from the fact that nobody would be playing in those games so the casino would make much less from this kind of setup



I think revealing one or two hands at another player's request in a tournament format might be good. Each person gets two times to choose.

 

[EarnDAStack]

NO There would not be more skill involved there would be less as information would easy to get, If you want every hand revealed you may just as well play one card turnover.

The skilled players would become more dominant if they knew how the other players are playing (eg, what they are folding to what sized bets, what c-bets they are missing, where they are folding when they should be calling.)

Any informational edge will always filter up to the best player and provide them the greatest opportunity for profit. The best player at the table will by definition have the best understanding of how to use the other player's missteps against them, when you can see everyone's cards you can see everyone's missteps.

Hope this helps

GL

EDS

 

[puzzlefish]

aside from the fact that nobody would be playing in those games so the casino would make much less from this kind of setup



I think revealing one or two hands at another player's request in a tournament format might be good. Each person gets two times to choose.

Nobody as in no pro players maybe. I think recreational players wouldn't really care that much.

 

[hajaehyun]

I think that's not good

 

[puzzlefish]

The skilled players would become more dominant if they knew how the other players are playing (eg, what they are folding to what sized bets, what c-bets they are missing, where they are folding when they should be calling.)

Any informational edge will always filter up to the best player and provide them the greatest opportunity for profit. The best player at the table will by definition have the best understanding of how to use the other player's missteps against them, when you can see everyone's cards you can see everyone's missteps.

Hope this helps

GL

EDS

Do you think someone will be sitting and recording all of these on a cell phone or something while playing? Would think this only becomes an issue over a substantial sample of hands.

 

[EarnDAStack]

Do you think someone will be sitting and recording all of these on a cell phone or something while playing? Would think this only becomes an issue over a substantial sample of hands.

Really?

Until you're playing 10/20 or higher you'll see people missing standard opens and 3bets within the first orbit, which a good player would and you should be making adjustments for in your game.

With the amount of money that can fly around even at 1/3 or 2/5 it is definitely worth paying attention to player's tendencies, if you then add the fact that in this thought experiment you can see everyone's cards at the end of the hand I have no doubt that the money will do nothing but make it's way to the best players at the table much quicker.


Live players are terrible, if you give someone who thinks like a solver the ability to remove combos from a spot because of how they played in a hand you saw previously you have a great opportunity to make a lot of money.

I think the opposite is a better argument, it would take a much longer time to gain a player profile if you only see a player's cards when they go to showdown, If I can see he doesn't 3-Bet KTs BvB without even having to see a showdown that's incredibly valuable for a good player.

Not to mention the amount of value in seeing how someone defends their blind or plays on the button.

P.S. I'm not a "good player" but if you're playing someone in rock paper scissors and you know they are throwing rock 34% of the time and paper and scissors 33% of the time each you throw paper 100% of the time...

EV and all that

EDS

 

[Chebchoub]

Hello
I remember learning the rules of poker from my friends this way. It was quick and effective; I learned the basics in one day.

Generally, I think playing open poker would be boring because it wouldn't require much intelligence, concentration, or skill. What distinguishes poker from other games of strategy is its element of suspense, competition, and mystery.

 

[Sunz of Beaches]

Click bait alert!!!

Great job BTW

Was not my intention and believe it or not: Despite all the backlash itt I still like the idea personally because the skill element for people who pay attention would go fairly up.

Hello
I remember learning the rules of poker from my friends this way. It was quick and effective; I learned the basics in one day.

Generally, I think playing open poker would be boring because it wouldn't require much intelligence, concentration, or skill. What distinguishes poker from other games of strategy is its element of suspense, competition, and mystery.

The idea was that people show their cards on showdown and not all the time during the hand. U might want to read the whole OP and not only the title before u answer to a topic.

 

[hjuosh]

And what happens on platforms like 888 and GGPoker, where you can review the last hand played to reveal the cards? WPT charges money for this, but GGPoker provides the entire hand history.

For me, this is very useful to study the movements of the villain. I actually thought this was a rule in poker, because on some platforms the option is already built in.

 

[SpanRmonka]

Was not my intention and believe it or not: Despite all the backlash itt I still like the idea personally because the skill element for people who pay attention would go fairly up.

No I know, I was just being silly. I get where you're coming from, but I also think a large part of the skill of poker is working this info out. It could genuinely change poker, as players would have to start really mixing up their game in order that other players still do not know how they play in certain spots

 

[fuzzycatdaddy]

I'd like bonus payouts for tournament hands But then the table would have to rake more from the buy-ins so I'm not sure I would like the EV of that

Or they could introduce specific hands that win a prize, like the already pay-out for royals, quads etc, but what if they gave a prize for something specific and random like trip Js or something. Might introduce a little more action and variance and drive the disciplined players crazy when people are prize chasing!

 

[Chebchoub]

Was not my intention and believe it or not: Despite all the backlash itt I still like the idea personally because the skill element for people who pay attention would go fairly up.

The idea was that people show their cards on showdown and not all the time during the hand. U might want to read the whole OP and not only the title before u answer to a topic.

I'm not against the idea; in fact, most online poker rooms now offer the ability to see flops, and turn,river, though the rules differ from live poker. Your idea isn't any different.
Unfortunately, it feels like seeing things before they happen.
I think it is better for live poker to keep the same traditional rules, in order to preserve the level of intelligence and skills that distinguish this game from others.

 

[Emily Trott]

I always show my cards at showdown.