WSOP Event #53 - Under investigation

[moots]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1938254694834704446

Apparently a deal was made head-up between Jesse Yaginuma and James Carroll to take advantage of the extra 1 million awarded by ClubWPT. Yaginuma "won" and was awarded the extra million.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1938090565863719263

ClubWPT's response:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1938280833875579186

Watch the heads up:

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World Series of Poker Millionaire Maker Heads-Up Match Raises Questions UPDATE: WSOP Investigating​

 

[moots]

Someone in the youtube chat may have figured it out. When Carroll make a bet with an odd number, he's letting Yaginuma know that he's bluffing. When he makes a bet with an even number, he's telling Yaginuma that he has it.

 

[CRStals]

If this is true - which nothing has been proven yet, these two are in deep trouble. I was watching Doug Polk break this down and there is no way on earth a pro with 3 previous wsop bracelets would fold top two heads up to such a small bet, especially when their stack was so small. The bet sizing seemed consistent with odd weak, even strong but all of the noise about letting them cut deals is moot here...

WPT is paying the $1 million, not the WSOP. The appearance of soft play and chip dumping is not cool under any circumstance, and based on what I've seen, I think they both colluded to split the extra million and both should be banned from the WSOP

 

[FastOne]

These guys (if they actually colluded, which seems they did) are a testament to how terrible and stupid greed can be. They might lose over 2 million dollars (between the two) playing clean without cheating, in the pursuit of getting an extra million through cheating in the hopes that nobody raises any concern even though the player who ended up in second place was in a ridiculously favorite position to win the tournament (chip stack was something like 280M chips to 17M chips and BB was 2.5M chips), and they never went allin preflop. Greed makes people stupid, it seems.

 

[TeUnit]

ClubWPT could have easily stopped all this from happening, all they had to do was make it a rule that no collusion would be allowed for the extra 1 million prize.

This kinda of stuff should not happen, deals are made all the time, but this was really a bad look for all involved.

 

[Sunz of Beaches]

If this is true - which nothing has been proven yet, these two are in deep trouble. I was watching Doug Polk break this down and there is no way on earth a pro with 3 previous WSOP bracelets would fold top two heads up to such a small bet, especially when their stack was so small. The bet sizing seemed consistent with odd weak, even strong but all of the noise about letting them cut deals is moot here...

WPT is paying the $1 million, not the WSOP. The appearance of soft play and chip dumping is not cool under any circumstance, and based on what I've seen, I think they both colluded to split the extra million and both should be banned from the WSOP

Agree it's bad for the game but with a million more up for grabs it's very tempting. That's a lot of money!

So they colluded against who? Against clubwpt? Imo it's totally up to them how they want to play it out. If both agree on this then it's their business. There were no other players at the table who could take a financial loss because of those Actions.

(Thought I have read of players doing similar stuff in the past because WSOP does not offer Deals. Afaik there were never any consequences.)

Imo wpt should think of better options to spend their promotion money. They have no real business mixing themself into some WSOP pricepool and I'm honestly not surprised it somehow got abused.

 

[tagece]

When one give information to another player, even when not receiving any advantage of that, is cheating and must be punished.
It puts in suspicious all they did in final table. If they made this deal before the HU, there would be an interest in not eliminating each other. It's just a supposition, but...

 

[Dzill_230]

Hello everyone!! I have already read about this news and I believe that both deserve punishment. Even if they conspired to split that "million," they should do it appropriately and with dignity!! Overall, the situation demonstrates how greed can be.

 

[Jillychemung]

Unless they can somehow prove collusion when it was 3+handed there is nothing to be done here. WSOP doesn't facilitate chops and ClubWPT doesn't have anything preventing a deal being made that allows a player to win their bonus, no game integrity was impinged nor were other players effected. Both WSOP & ClubWPT should have expected this scenario and have addressed it prior to WSOP starting.

 

[Margo17]

If this is true, drastic measures have to be taken for both players, we should never support anti-gambling.

 

[machinm19]

Has anybody watched this? I watched Doug Polk talking about it and having watched the final table it looks like they colluded to me. Either that or the guy had never played poker in his life but I doubt this is true.

World Series of Poker Millionaire Maker Heads-Up Match Raises Questions UPDATE: WSOP Investigating

 

[Emily Trott]

"Some poker pros defended the alleged chip dumping, arguing that the only two players
allegedly involved agreed to the deal and no one was affected in the process."​

Leaving aside the ethical questions that come with violations of the rules, there are possibly other people who could be affected by collusion. Others could be harmed if bookmakers, or anyone else for that matter, were taking bets on the results of the game.

 

[seiya1989]

"Algunos profesionales del póquer defendieron el supuesto dumping de fichas, argumentando que los únicos dos jugadores
Los presuntos implicados aceptaron el acuerdo y nadie resultó afectado en el proceso".​

Dejando de lado las cuestiones éticas que conlleva el incumplimiento de las reglas, es posible que otras personas se vean afectadas por la colusión. Otras podrían verse perjudicadas si las casas de apuestas, o cualquier otra persona, aceptaran apuestas sobre los resultados del partido.

How strange. I read something different. Some professionals were the ones who brought this possible fraud to light, since the player who won the event took an extra million dollars from a contract with the WPT, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[machinm19]

Yes that’s right the guy who won took an extra million from a sponsorship deal.

 

[machinm19]

Leaving aside the ethical questions that come with violations of the rules, there are possibly other people who could be affected by collusion. Others could be harmed if bookmakers, or anyone else for that matter, were taking bets on the results of the game.

I agree. Who is to say they didn’t collude longer than people initially thought? There is no way anybody can play that bad. Over 90% of the chips heads up and didn’t win a hand except his open jam with Aces.

 

[Emily Trott]

How strange. I read something different. Some professionals were the ones who brought this possible fraud to light, since the player who won the event took an extra million dollars from a contract with the WPT, if I'm not mistaken.

That's correct, and some other pros didn't see a problem with it.

 

[seiya1989]

Así es, y algunos otros profesionales no vieron ningún problema en ello.

Guess we'll never know. It's strange that someone with such a big head-to-head advantage would lose without winning a single pot. In a matter of seconds, the other player overcame a nearly 10 to 1 lead. If I had to bet, I think it was rigged.

 

[fundiver199]

since the player who won the event took an extra million dollars from a contract with the WPT, if I'm not mistaken.

And what a stupid idea it was by WPT to offer such a contract, if they wanted to avoid an obvious incentive for players to collude.

 

[Poker Orifice]

The two players in question were both given the money. Nobody received the bracelet. WPT awarded the Bonus $1million.

And... BOTH players received a lifelong BAN from WSOP! (Wow! most poker players didn't expect this to happen).

Both of those players are very well known in the poker community. I remember seeing James Carroll playing on Fulltilt, Stars, UB & AP back in 2007-2010.

 

[eetenor]

And what a stupid idea it was by WPT to offer such a contract, if they wanted to avoid an obvious incentive for players to collude.

It was not a contract but a promo all of us can get the same promo by playing on Gold and getting a gold rush ticket then winning any of 11 now ten or less live MTT that qualify

 

[moots]

No bracelet awarded:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1939886890829979834

 

[SPANKYSN]

It looks like the WSOP took the only course of action to say that these players did not act in good faith…from the previous posts, if their actions did not affect other players, there is no infraction. I would like to see a suspension for both from WPT and WSOP tournaments.

 

[G0930]

The two players in question were both given the money. Nobody received the bracelet. WPT awarded the Bonus $1million.

And... BOTH players received a lifelong BAN from WSOP! (Wow! most poker players didn't expect this to happen).

Both of those players are very well known in the poker community. I remember seeing James Carroll playing on Fulltilt, Stars, UB & AP back in 2007-2010.

I read about the ruling of this incident but nowhere was stated that these two players are now banned from participating in WSOP events.
Where did you read this ?

 

[fundiver199]

It was not a contract but a promo all of us can get the same promo by playing on Gold and getting a gold rush ticket then winning any of 11 now ten or less live MTT that qualify

Ok thanks for the info. It should still be obvious though, that this create a big incentive for the final two to make an unofficial deal, if one of them can win an extra million. So probably not the smartest promo, if you ask me

 

[eetenor]

Ok thanks for the info. It should still be obvious though, that this create a big incentive for the final two to make an unofficial deal, if one of them can win an extra million. So probably not the smartest promo, if you ask me

Your point is very valid and Many of the remaining MTT are WPT as well so more trouble to come potentially