Cheating on ACR Suspected

[PokerFunKid]

For those grinding PLO cash games on ACR on decent limits, be very carefull.There seems to be a lot of collusion on the cash game tables from ACR.
If you are one of those grinding cash games on ACR, this video is a must watch.

 

[BigRivers]

I'm definitely one of those players that will call an all in pre-flop, and then river a straight with 9/2 against K/K. Sometimes my instincts are strong enough that I might fold AK to a min raise. So i'm sure some people think I cheat...

But I can only play 1 table at a time, and even the slightest distraction and I loose my Jedi instincts. So I assume collusion would cost me more than it would help.

I hope he is wrong though.

 

[lilpotato]

I watched the video. Okay I can believe bots are on site, but you are gonna have to come better than it just feels wrong and I have watched hours of play. He mentions a player on the video who I won't rename but I think it is the last player mentioned in the video. I have played in tournaments vs the player mentioned and he is a total numbskull and he is not getting there with his play in tournaments sharkscope him he is down over 14k in tournaments graph pretty much straight down. What you think he is chip dumping in tournaments? I think he just sucks. But I think if you are going to make these accusation they should come with some data and video footage or something more than what is in the video. And I mean no offense to Joe Ingram because I know if something feels wrong it usually is but need to see a lot more than this.

 

[terryk]

:rock:

 

[PokerFunKid]

I mean bots being around is prety obvious, and its going to be hard to show himself with hard evidence on paper. Only ACR can look into this with special software. And those players at the higher stakes seems shady and defo worth a mention just for people to be carefull even if you're not 100% sure if you're right. What about the guy leaving as soon as he calls him out for a scammer? He does mention he may be wrong while calling him out, but it looks very very suspicous and he is probably right. I think its a good thing that he published this video and everything that was said. If he happend to call out someone wrong, i think those people will speak up and they will find out.

 

[dj11]

Nothing in that vid tells me anything useful.

 

[lilpotato]

Nothing in that vid tells me anything useful.

I agree. Glad I am not the only one.

 

[Jooseme]

super user

For those grinding PLO cash games on ACR on decent limits, be very carefull.There seems to be a lot of collusion on the cash game tables from ACR.
If you are one of those grinding cash games on ACR, this video is a must watch.


Online Poker Cheating EXPOSED On America's Card Room!!! - YouTube

Have you tried to contact ACR?

 

[ZARGA123]

Even if there are Bots we do not have to fear them they are less inventive than humans Rage against the Machine Bots will not stand against Talented Players :captain: let's gear to where the Bots live we will fight them and we will win at the End just because we are more intelligent![Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.][/ Sun Tzu]

 

[Stacker]

Bots have been around....... It's not painting a good picture

 

[Lorpugo]

if you see a bot Raise Against The Machine

 

[Edison A]

I do not see a consistent and real proof of a trap in the video, it's just conjecture

 

[Syltan]

Video is not about anything. Bots are really a very serious problem to be dealt with, but ordinary players have scant chances in this war. All the hope for poker rooms.

 

[Ivan Basic]

I just hope there must be some official authority that has access to poker software source code to check for cheats. Am I fooling myself ?

I have always had a feeling playing online, that somehow , stack feels rigged....

I am a fan of magic btw

 

[PokerFunKid]

I don't understand how you can say ''The video doesn't tell me anything'', or ''this is 0 evidence at all''.

Listen, i understand things are said without any evidence and it could all be bullshit. First of all i understand he's not going to paste a ton of hand histories and weird plays in his video, that is not the place to post them in. And you could always say it was just a random play rather then a bot or teamwork between 2 players. Sometimes accusing people without hard evidence is the best to warn people. In some cases you don't have any hard evidence, but it seems VERY likely. In this case he is so sure that its happening that he dares to call people out. Now if this doesn't scare you a little for playing PLO cash games on ACR, then go ahead, go play with those scammers. Doesn't it tell you there is atleast bots around cheating there? Sure he says you can beat them. But now imagine being a recreational player, or someone just taking shots. If they hear they are playing against bots, do you think they would be willing to play more? I don't think so.

Now the highstakes story about sharing accounts. I think its good to expose it this way until further investigation. They are talking about thousands of dollars being at stake. He's right to atleast warn people if he thinks something is going on. And if this doesnt tell you to be carefull and maybe there is some crazy scamming going on in the highstakes poker then i hope his next video will change your mind. He tweeted today: ''I've received 200+ messages after yesterday's ACR cheating video. Everyone from the accused account owners, ACR owner & security, people w/ more information on accounts involved, high stakes regulars, bot creator & more Will put out an update video tomorrow on the situation.''

and then subtweeted


''Its not looking good.''

If anyone can analyse and notice scamming behaviour within the PLO game, its him.

 

[kraemer]

Hhhhmmm...
sounds too much like "if I lose it must be rigged..."

If he has got tons of footage and data then why doesnt he show any of it...
One guy saying something in a Youtube video is not what I would call proof.

Sure... there are bots out there I suppose. No way to stop that. As long as the
game runs on a computer You can automate it with software. But any bot is
just as good as the person who wrote the code for it... Serious players should be
able to beat them.

Collusion is also an issue that cannot really be stopped by poker sites... As long
as a cheater has access to a bunch of accounts that are verified by different people
and some good private proxies You simply cannot detect if the accounts are used
by just one person... But the amount of effort neccessary for this is to high in my opinion.

You need other people who will open and verify the accounts with their real data to be able to
withdraw from the accounts. If You want to get away without getting caught by the pokerroom
You will needs lots of accounts... If there just a handful who will always play at the same time
and at the same tables it is getting suspicious...

I doubt that many people are willing to invest that much effort... Simply because there are
probably more lucrative things You could do than cheating at a poker table... Because even
if You have 3 accounts on one table that doesnt mean you are guaranteed to win any money...
You probably get an edge. But that's it.

 

[PokerFunKid]

I do understand you have to be very carefull with calling people out and not wanting to believe it. But something like this should be taken serious and requires further investigation. Just saying its nothing and 0 evidence is prety ignorant imo. Clearly he have been investigating it and its not just something he makes up because hes losing. He is a proffesional PLO player himself. He knows when he's losing fair, he knows when something looks weird and have suspicious feelings about it - but its not worth a mention. But this, this seems prety serious. I gues well hear more from it though. It seems to have attracted a lot of reactions and it will be investigated further.

 

[Four Dogs]

I'm definitely one of those players that will call an all in pre-flop, and then river a straight with 9/2 against K/K. Sometimes my instincts are strong enough that I might fold AK to a min raise. So i'm sure some people think I cheat...

But I can only play 1 table at a time, and even the slightest distraction and I loose my Jedi instincts. So I assume collusion would cost me more than it would help.

I hope he is wrong though.

This sounds pretty unscientific. I have to admit, I'm a bit skeptical when I hear someone seriously talking about some ineffable ability that allows them to derive information that doesn't exist outside of our 5 senses. Curious, do you track your results?

 

[dj11]

Nothing in that vid tells me anything useful.

I need to refine my first statement. The ONE thing that stuck with me thru last night and to now is that the guy is wearing a wrist band. The kind you find in hospitals! Including mental hospitals! Not saying this guy is nuts, but on drugs is a very real possibility!


The fact that this guy is trying real hard to convince you he has a clue, suggests to me he doesn't.


So, this guy needs a new path in life. It should be how to present a case to make others understand, and then believe him. Law school maybe.

 

[gotace503]

is there a link to the video somehow i cant open it.

 

[PokerFunKid]

I need to refine my first statement. The ONE thing that stuck with me thru last night and to now is that the guy is wearing a wrist band. The kind you find in hospitals! Including mental hospitals! Not saying this guy is nuts, but on drugs is a very real possibility!


The fact that this guy is trying real hard to convince you he has a clue, suggests to me he doesn't.


So, this guy needs a new path in life. It should be how to present a case to make others understand, and then believe him. Law school maybe.

I think he did prety well, and the evidence will be there public at some point. Its not simple to show all this evidence, but perhaps he could've gave some more examples and indeed make a new post with all the evidence to back him up. But its probably more complicated to put all those hours and hands into one of those evidence posts. I've been in similar spots myself knowing someone scammed, but sometimes its hard to show all the evidence. Even when you have it all and its obviously a scam, youll always have those kind of people that want straight evidence from the person scamming theirself, else its not evidence. Because how else are you going to prove its a scam in those kind of situations? You're one of those people that probably will only take a confession as evidence. If he shows weird hands, youll probably say its not evidence because he may have just played bad or weird. So i don't see how he would show you the evidence you want.

Its a bit rude to talk like this about him though. Its not just him, its a big amount of people backing him up and sharing those feelings. He also received over 200 reactions about this and he will post a video about this. Will be curious if it will show more evidence and people backing him up.

 

[PokerFunKid]

is there a link to the video somehow i cant open it.

I'll PM you the link.

 

[Andrei Nesterenko1]

thanks for the warning, I will keep in mind

 

[Peppinotom]

If it is poker, we are talking about, it is not a question, whether you are cheated.The question is : WHEN?

 

[terryk]

Old news about an old topic,,,,and as to why he would do this,simple.You get cash for views,subscriptions,tweets,adds.He`s getting alot of attention for this,isn`t he?,,,, :icon_scra Stay tuned!