New update on GG Poker (PokerOK)

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Plankton is gone, and it all starts at the fish level)) It's even funny... but as I understand it, now rakeback points will be deducted not once a week, but once a year... In short, please share your thoughts on the new update in this room)
 
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I think the situation will be the same as before. Those who play at risk and with small stakes will not be in a more favorable position than they were before.
mr.fers_one said:
A plankton eltűnt, és minden a halak szintjén kezdődik)) Ez még vicces is... de ahogy én értem, mostantól nem hetente, hanem évente egyszer vonnak le rakeback pontokat... Röviden, kérlek, oszd meg a gondolataidat az új frissítésről ebben a szobában)
 
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mr.fers_one said:
Plankton is gone, and it all starts at the fish level)) It's even funny... but as I understand it, now rakeback points will be deducted not once a week, but once a year... In short, please share your thoughts on the new update in this room)
This is the update they warned about. Pretty substantial changes. Time will tell if it's an improvement or a deterioration. I'm always wary of any updates because in most cases all these updates only worsen the application and make life more difficult for players.
 
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At the first look it's clear how it works but now you have to keep the gems for a long time to be enough for a valuable rakeback package
 
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I wish I'd played more this January.
I don't play that much on GG but will probably be playing more this year (2026).
For now I'm at 'Crab' but should be 'Turtle' halfway through this year (I think?). Doubt I'll reach Octopus.
I'll try to save my 'Gems' up til' I reach Turtle unless it looks like I'll make Octopus, in which case I'll save them til' next Christmas.
 
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It is a longterm money saving system/plan.
They get rid of all platinum (GG Platinum not CC) players after 11 months.
In January 2027 all players start as fish regardless which level they had before.
They also tried to rip off German players way more than they were ripped off before.
Germans pay higher Rake due to regulation circumstances (License fee costs and taxes GG has to pay to operate in Germany).
Thes costs are given back to German customers in many ways.

Cash gamesGermanyInternational
Rake+1% higher due to Luckgambling taxestheir standard Rake

Tournaments​
GermanyInternational
Tax3 % on all real money wins (tax works above $0.25)no tax
Bountiessame as aboveno tax

RakebackGermanyInternational
Rake used for TPonly 70% rake is used for TP100% rake used for TP
Gems Received per Rake paidonly 70 % rake is used for GEMS.100% rake used TP


International GEM rates:
Ocean Rewards  International

German Gem rates at start:

Ocean Rewards  Germany

They changed it later to international exchange rate.

So first they tried to double tax German players only 70% rake used for GEMS and Tide Points calculation and additional only 70% of rewarded TP and Gems.

The hidden tax behind the system is the PVI (player value index) calculation, this applies to all players on GG.
The formula is kept secret but with the old system you could directly make an estimation calcuation.
All real money players have a PVI value.

PVI = Player Value Index
It determines how much of your paid rake actually counts toward rewards.
• Recreational players(high VPIP, passive play) → PVI close to 1.0
• Strong grinders(TAG, LAG, Winning Player) → PVI often 0.35–0.75 (sometimes down to 0.1)

Rake used for TP calculation = Rake paid x PVI is for International players
Rake used for TP calculation = Rake paid x PVI x 0.70 is for German players

The next trap for German players the don´t get real money cashback, they get C$ or T$.

A German grinder who “should” get 40–60% rakeback internationally often ends up with:
• 10–20% real effective rakeback
• plus non‑withdrawable C$ / T$ that must be played through
• plus higher rake
• plus 3% MTT tax
This is why many German players feel the system is nearly unbeatable compared to the international environment.

Additionally if you are winning player you have to pay income tax on winnings.

Thanks to German regulations online poker for real money should be dead in Germany.

I wonder if the online gambling providers will renew their licenses after 5 years, because German player base is shrinking very massively on all sites that have licensed in Germany.


Is the German Player Base Shrinking?
Yes. All available indicators show that the German player base on licensed poker sites is declining.
1. Traffic Data
Independent trackers show:
• 35–50% fewer German players since the 2021 GlüStV
• Declines visible on: GGPoker.de, PokerStars.de, PartyPoker/bwin DE, 888poker DE
2. Smaller Tournament Fields
Licensed sites report:
• 30–45% smaller daily MTT fields
• Reduced guarantees
• Lower peak‑time activity
3. Industry & Regulatory Reports
German gambling reports show:
• Falling online‑poker revenue
• Operators noting reduced activity
• Some licensed operators scaling down their German offerings
4. Clear Causes
• 5.3% gambling tax → higher rake
• 3% tax on all MTT winnings
• Only 70% of rake counts toward rewards
• Lower Gem rewards (–30%)
• PVI reductions
• Extra rakeback paid in C$ / T$, not cash
• Strict licensing & geoblocking
5. Indirect Evidence
• Fewer active cash‑game tables
• Weak mid/high‑stakes traffic
• Community surveys: 70–80% of German grinders reduced volume or left licensed sites
 
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I don't know how much cash back I make generally there but does not sound like a poisitive change. Like they way when they release new terms and conditions they don't let you access the software until you agree to them, which is a bit of a catch 22 if you have money on the site.
 
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How many Gems do you have? Or have cashed in for?

So far... not so good. So I cash in for nothing each Sunday?? And only cash I get is by cashing in Gems? Seems lame so far for me... I haven't played much this month (Feb.) & was very sick all January but still on the old system I was getting $10 each week for playing very small amount of cash game hands.
 
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I'm currently at Crab & that says I'm supposed to be getting ~30% rakeback. If you went by the # of Gems I've got, it works out to WAY LESS than 30% rakeback.
The thing I hate about GG and their rake & rakeback system is that it is not transparent. Basically a huge clusterfck.
 
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