S
sonikki
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Hi!
I've been playing poker for about 20 years, more or less professionally, so I have a certain gut feeling (or intuition/hunch) about what generally happens in card games.
My cash game results on Pokerihuone/unibet have always baffled me. I'm drawing a graph going straight northeast (a strongly winning graph) on other sites.
Pokerihuone/Unibet has always been grinding at a loss, even though the opponents seem to me to be the weakest on the net, and the site should have the lowest rake in cash games.
In last monday, again, I opened a few PLO10 tables in the morning on the side (while playing higherstakes games), and again, the standard 3-way with three sets clashing was how the day started, along with other silliness that I never see on other sites. And definitely not two straight flushes per day on other sites. However, one of the ongoing tables caught my attention, and I quit all the other tables (even the higher stakes normal games even they were good tables) and only played and observed this one.
These were, of course, bad colluders and were doing the classic sandwich play, where they leave the third player squeezed in between and raise the player out, without going to showdown themselves.
These stats and handhistories are downloaded one by one and alltoghert had took me +10hours
The opponents' stats (red boxes):"
Allthatshewa hand2note4 overall stats:
Blanc1664 Hand2note4 overallstats:
As you can see, the players have very precise stats and a completely unnatural Went to Showdown (WTSD) percentages. This is because they don't go to showdown but instead raise the normal player out. However, they also raise each other on the river and then fold their hands so that they don't show any no-sense cards to others, which would expose the collusion.
Hand Histories: (These are just examples. Every hand was similar, so these should give you an accurate picture.)"
Hands 1-4 from POV Allthatsewa
1.
(Not sure about this one is this good play from their apart even with the low rake (56% multiway vs 100% aces)
2.
The basic sandwich. Yes, fishare fish. But it makes no sense at all that the opponent doesn't raise on the FLOP/TURN against those small bets. On the River, I made a crying call with a backdoor straight. Doesn't make any sense (actually, it makes very much sense because the player has that Kh in their hand, so it doesn't matter if a heart comes, because they can just raise each other out again to get the player to fold)
3. Blanc1664's raise lol
4.
Hands 5-10 from Blanc1664 POV
5. Blanc1664 is representing Q9xx on the Flop/Turn. On the River, that hand has changed to QJJ9/QJT9, but with a PFRof 21, you would think they would isolate a limper from UTG out of the Cutoff (They just didn't want to show their hands at showdown
6. "Let's just play one hand for a laugh amongst ourselves, but we absolutely can't show our hands at showdown!"
7. Classic!
These 2players made the same emojies and left the table at the same time.
Unibets support didn't give a ****. They promised to send me what's going on on investigation but they never replied.
I went back to their onlinechat and they said that this PLAYER has been banned and that's it. I lost like 10€ which is whatever (support said i didn't any financial harm) but i spent +10hours my own time and make work they should have done.
Im out of that place, they don't take any serious about fair play.
So everyone who is playing on there be extra focused and careful when playing on Unibet/Pokerihuone because those sites are extremely easy to collude.
I've been playing poker for about 20 years, more or less professionally, so I have a certain gut feeling (or intuition/hunch) about what generally happens in card games.
My cash game results on Pokerihuone/unibet have always baffled me. I'm drawing a graph going straight northeast (a strongly winning graph) on other sites.
Pokerihuone/Unibet has always been grinding at a loss, even though the opponents seem to me to be the weakest on the net, and the site should have the lowest rake in cash games.
In last monday, again, I opened a few PLO10 tables in the morning on the side (while playing higherstakes games), and again, the standard 3-way with three sets clashing was how the day started, along with other silliness that I never see on other sites. And definitely not two straight flushes per day on other sites. However, one of the ongoing tables caught my attention, and I quit all the other tables (even the higher stakes normal games even they were good tables) and only played and observed this one.
These were, of course, bad colluders and were doing the classic sandwich play, where they leave the third player squeezed in between and raise the player out, without going to showdown themselves.
These stats and handhistories are downloaded one by one and alltoghert had took me +10hours
The opponents' stats (red boxes):"
Allthatshewa hand2note4 overall stats:
Blanc1664 Hand2note4 overallstats:
As you can see, the players have very precise stats and a completely unnatural Went to Showdown (WTSD) percentages. This is because they don't go to showdown but instead raise the normal player out. However, they also raise each other on the river and then fold their hands so that they don't show any no-sense cards to others, which would expose the collusion.
Hand Histories: (These are just examples. Every hand was similar, so these should give you an accurate picture.)"
Hands 1-4 from POV Allthatsewa
1.
(Not sure about this one is this good play from their apart even with the low rake (56% multiway vs 100% aces)
2.
The basic sandwich. Yes, fishare fish. But it makes no sense at all that the opponent doesn't raise on the FLOP/TURN against those small bets. On the River, I made a crying call with a backdoor straight. Doesn't make any sense (actually, it makes very much sense because the player has that Kh in their hand, so it doesn't matter if a heart comes, because they can just raise each other out again to get the player to fold)
3. Blanc1664's raise lol
4.
Hands 5-10 from Blanc1664 POV
5. Blanc1664 is representing Q9xx on the Flop/Turn. On the River, that hand has changed to QJJ9/QJT9, but with a PFRof 21, you would think they would isolate a limper from UTG out of the Cutoff (They just didn't want to show their hands at showdown
6. "Let's just play one hand for a laugh amongst ourselves, but we absolutely can't show our hands at showdown!"
7. Classic!
These 2players made the same emojies and left the table at the same time.
Unibets support didn't give a ****. They promised to send me what's going on on investigation but they never replied.
I went back to their onlinechat and they said that this PLAYER has been banned and that's it. I lost like 10€ which is whatever (support said i didn't any financial harm) but i spent +10hours my own time and make work they should have done.
Im out of that place, they don't take any serious about fair play.
So everyone who is playing on there be extra focused and careful when playing on Unibet/Pokerihuone because those sites are extremely easy to collude.
