WPT global fairness?

[mooseforfree]

I recently switched from playing GG poker to WPT global App. I found the cash games and tournaments were far less infested with bots, and it’s been pretty good. However I am wondering if some of the games are actually fair? I have tried playing global spins, which is a 3 handed sit and go, and it seems that often there’s a lot more action than you would expect from random cards. Weak aces often hit trips. Jacks seems to pair up a lot more than kings do. Suited broadways come up a lot. And getting all the money in preflop with a monster hand seems to get cracked 60-70% of the time when your opponents kicker makes one to a straight or trips on the river. Anyone else notice this? Is this rigged game?

 

[MK_]

Well if any of that is true you know what to do.... 😎👍

 

[Sunz of Beaches]

Very doubtful someone who does not understand how high variance a super turbo lotto format with 3 players is, is able to detect bots just like that.

U wont be happy nowhere longterm.

 

[dreamer13]

The bigger the tournaments, the more bots there are, and PokerStars ranks first in bots. Playing high-stakes cash games there is downright insane; they'll strip you in an instant.

 

[maronza1]

The bigger the tournaments, the more bots there are, and PokerStars ranks first in bots. Playing high-stakes cash games there is downright insane; they'll strip you in an instant.

What are bots and how to identify them, i dont think i have ever played with a bot

 

[mooseforfree]

Not helpful.

 

[KrazyKoo]

Less bots as they changed to verify logins
I don't notice differences in the RNG but the blind structure is much more faster or more dynamic than other sites, noticeable especially in Global Spins and Tournaments. I think that might be it.

 

[puzzlefish]

So are you saying there's only a problem with the spin and go format there? I do have some experience playing that on WPTG back when they had a promo for spins. In many of my games I would see players just all in with any two to consolidate into one big stack against me. Was it bots? Maybe, but need a lot more evidence to call it.

 

[fundiver199]

I recently switched from playing GG poker to WPT global app.

If you switched "recently", then for sure you still only have a very small sample, where its impossible to detect any sort of anomalies. If you flip a coin 10 times, it might come 8 heads and 2 tails, and this does not mean, the coin is rigged

 

[Johnvaka]

Wpt seems like a good room to me, although a lot of Asians look good, but it's relatively good ggpoker, sometimes they lose one against some pathetic cards, all in preflo players with some garbage hands and give them the move as if they knew what was coming in the flow

 

[acidburnfx]

I recently switched from playing GG poker to WPT global app. I found the cash games and tournaments were far less infested with bots, and it’s been pretty good. However I am wondering if some of the games are actually fair? I have tried playing global spins, which is a 3 handed sit and go, and it seems that often there’s a lot more action than you would expect from random cards. Weak aces often hit trips. Jacks seems to pair up a lot more than kings do. Suited broadways come up a lot. And getting all the money in preflop with a monster hand seems to get cracked 60-70% of the time when your opponents kicker makes one to a straight or trips on the river. Anyone else notice this? Is this rigged game?

What do you think?

 

[Yontox]

What you are experiencing is something called variance.
I don't think the main poker platforms are rigged in any way.

 

[mooseforfree]

What you are experiencing is something called variance.
I don't think the main poker platforms are rigged in any way.

I don’t have any doubt that the main poker games are dealing fair cards on most of the big platforms. The jackpot games and stuff like all in or fold seem to run out strange a lot more than variance would suggest

If you switched "recently", then for sure you still only have a very small sample, where it’s impossible to detect any sort of anomalies. If you flip a coin 10 times, it might come 8 heads and 2 tails, and this does not mean, the coin is rigged

I played this game for about 3 hours and saw quads 3 times. Each time it was a dominanted weak ace in a pre-flop all in hand that the kicker made quads with 3 on the board. I could be wrong but that should raise alarm bells. Don’t you think?

 

[mooseforfree]

So are you saying there's only a problem with the spin and go format there? I do have some experience playing that on WPTG back when they had a promo for spins. In many of my games I would see players just all in with any two to consolidate into one big stack against me. Was it bots? Maybe, but need a lot more evidence to call it.

Yes, I’ve only noticed it in the spins game. I am sceptical because it’s a jackpot game. The rest of the games seem to deal fair cards. It’s not so much that the bots are a problem in that game. It’s that really high variance hands seem to run out well for dominated hands. My concern is mostly that the game is rigged so that house players (perhaps bots or not) are winning disproportionately to make the game profitable for the house.

 

[hajaehyun]

It's often hard to admit, but that's the holem

 

[fundiver199]

I played this game for about 3 hours and saw quads 3 times. Each time it was a dominanted weak ace in a pre-flop all in hand that the kicker made quads with 3 on the board. I could be wrong but that should raise alarm bells. Don’t you think?

To get anywhere near the point, where all outcomes get at least somewhat close to their statistical probability, you need to play for 3.000 hours rather than just 3 hours. So no. I dont think, that what happens during a random 3 hour session, mean anything at all.

 

[marco198121]

This is a game where the absurdity is only noticeable when it's against you. When things go your way, the memory isn't as good.

 

[mooseforfree]

To get anywhere near the point, where all outcomes get at least somewhat close to their statistical probability, you need to play for 3.000 hours rather than just 3 hours. So no. I dont think, that what happens during a random 3 hour session, mean anything at all.

I’d say statistically you’re correct. There are random scenarios that a coin flip will come up heads 15 times in a row. But if you pick up a coin and start flipping it, if it comes up heads the first 15 flips, it a better chance than not your coin isn’t fair.

 

[puzzlefish]

I’d say statistically you’re correct. There are random scenarios that a coin flip will come up heads 15 times in a row. But if you pick up a coin and start flipping it, if it comes up heads the first 15 flips, it a better chance than not your coin isn’t fair.

this is pretty much the premise of statistical analysis, in that you can build confidence levels in a certain result (fair or unfair, for example)

However you have to actually have a proper method of analyzing the fairness. It can't just all be anecdotal.