$0.25 NL HE STT: Shove or fold?

[miklcct]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

STT

Buy-in

0.25

Game Options

1. Bounty

Currency

$

GGPoker, Mystery Battle Royale (3 people are in the money, 4 people left).

GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - 150/300 (60 ante) - 4 players
UTG: 4,098 (14 bb)
BU: 2,809 (9 bb)
SB: 8,271 (28 bb)
BB (Hero): 2,822 (9 bb)

Pre-Flop: (690) Hero is BB with A♦ 7♦
UTG calls 300, BTN raises to 2,749 (all-in), 1 fold

Is this a shove or fold? Push fold charts tell me nothing about situations like these when there are limpers.

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GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - 150/300 (60 ante) - 4 players

UTG: 3,298 (11 bb)
BU: 4,299 (14 bb)
SB: 8,271 (28 bb)
BB (Hero): 2,132 (7 bb)

Pre-Flop: (690) Hero is BB with A♦ 8♥
UTG calls 300, 1 fold, SB calls 150

The push fold chart tells me nothing when someone has limped. There are two limpers here. Would you shove or fold?

 

[veryluckyfish7k]

Well this is crazy mystery, most people there are crazy and my answer is push, limper has wide range he wants go all in and make more people in the action to collect bounties that's why he limps, he gives opportunity to others make action.

 

[fundiver199]

In the first hand with A7s someone else have already jammed, and this is far more important than the fact, someone has limped. So you basically take the chart for facing a 9BB jam from BTN, and then you adjust by folding the bottom of that range. The reason for this is, that BTN should be tighter with a limper in front of him, and there is also a chance, the limper will call and bust BTN. Which is a huge benefit for you, because then you are in the money.

And because of this bubble dynamic I think, A7s is a fairly clear fold, whereas early in the game (chip EV) it would be much closer. In general we should be very snug when calling off our entire stack on the bubble of a SnG, and here I would not be surpriced, if the GTO calling range was as narrow as maybe AQ+, AJs, 88+. ICMizer can give the exact range, but its not installed on the computer, I am currently using.

The second hand with A8o is not a push-fold scenario, because you can see a free flop in BB, so its only a question of, which line has the highest expectation. I dont think, A8o play super well in a multiway pot as monkey in the middle, so for me I jam here all day. Sometimes they will both fold, and you chip up nicely without having to show down the best hand.

And other times you get action from one guy and play a "flip" with a bit of overlay. Which is an ok outcome, when you are the shortest stack. Occationally someone will have limped with A9+, which suck for you, but you are also going to get called by small pairs and a decent amount of hands, you are ahead of. Especially in this format, because people will still be bounty hunting.