$10 NL HE MTT: Targetet stack ticket

[budaloto]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

10

Currency

$

Target was 50k chips, and we both have 25k,other has 18k i don't know why he fold when we already in money, first get 150$ ticket, other 2 got 30$.

My question its my A9o call right? and next time when someone jump before what card i pay, if i'm in same spot?

I want to hear your opinion.

 

[fundiver199]

Not really sure I understand either your question or the payout structure. Can you please explain a bit more?

 

[Andyreas]

I understand either your question or the payout structure.

GGPoker has satellites with a "target stack" structure. If you reach that amount stack, you're automatically moved to the next stage and you and your stack are removed from the tournament.

Seems there's only one ticket here and the remaining payouts are cash prizes.

 

[fundiver199]

GGPoker has satellites with a "target stack" structure. If you reach that amount stack, you're automatically moved to the next stage and you and your stack are removed from the tournament.

Ok so whoever win this hand will reach 50k chips and thus win the tournament? And this is why, OP does not understand the fold from the 3. player? Because once the two big stacks have both moved all-in, this will be the last hand of the tournament, unless it ends in a chopped pot?

 

[eetenor]

Yes three handed your A9 is better than a lot of BTN shove range.

 

[Andyreas]

Ok so whoever win this hand will reach 50k chips and thus win the tournament? And this is why, OP does not understand the fold from the 3. player? Because once the two big stacks have both moved all-in, this will be the last hand of the tournament, unless it ends in a chopped pot?

Yes, if I'm not completely mistaken, that's how this GPoker satty works.

That's one of the reasons I dislike those satellites because the end game with very few tickets remaining can be quite weird (to me).

 

[fundiver199]

Yes, if I'm not completely mistaken, that's how this GPoker satty works.

Yeah especially if its only 1 ticket rewarded, then it seems more logical and simple to let the tournament play out to a winner. Anyways if Hero fold, and BB call, then BB is not deep enough to end the tournament. Either BB will dubble up, and BTN become short, or BB will bust, and we can still win the tournament by winning an all-in against BTN. So a confrontation between the two other players does not either hurt or help us.

This mean, we can basically analyse this hand in chip EV, and in chip EV A9o is definitely a call from SB to a BTN jam for 12BB. If it was a regular MTT with a difference between the price to 2. and 3. place, then it would be a much closer decision and could be a fold, although it would depend on the exact payjumps. So nice call by OP and even more nice result

 

[fundiver199]

Should be added, that since BB will lose this tournament, unless he call, or it end as a chopped pot, then we should expect him to always call behind. This time he did not, but that is definitely an outlier. So basically this should be a 3-way all-in, and whoever win the main pot, will then also win the tournament. Again barring a chopped pot, which will happen a small percentage of the time.

So basically we should call here, if our chance of winning a 3-way all-in is larger than our chance of winning the tournament by folding and continuing to play. Since BB can not win the tournament by winning a single all-in against one opponent, but we can, our chance of winning by folding is slightly more than 33%.

So we do need some equity edge to get involved here. But I think, A9o definitely has more than 33% equity against a random hand from BB and a BTN open shoving range. So its still a call with this rather complicated and unusual payout structure. Which I think, if you are going to play these on a regular basis, you should put in some time and effort to understand the adjustments and strategy for.

 

[SpanRmonka]

Well thats Paul Scholes for you, great footballer but rubbish at understanding poker!!

These 'target stack' games may well be the future of satties.....ive seen them live a bit too, I don't love them, but what they do is stop the stalling on the massive bubble that is the ticket, and keeps play more normal, albeit with some major adjustments as you see here. It still also benefits you to be aggressive, which stops everyone from completly tightening up when hand for hand can be quite painfully slow at times especially live.

@fundiver199 the way these work is that they start with a gtd ticket, and depending on numbers of players more $150 tickets are added, like a standard satty, then any spare money is paid out in $30 increments. Usually there will be more than 1 ticket, many times 3. In this case we don't know how many there were, as any players winning one are removed, so we could be for example playing for 3rd place here and the final ticket, or for 'first' and the only ticket.....either way the dynamic is the same in this hand.

What is quite interesting is that say 2 x 30k stacks clash and one wins a ticket, the 'spare' 10k above what is needed is redistributed among the remaining players. I assume as they could be a sitution where there are not enough chips for someone to reach 50k.

 

[fundiver199]

These 'target stack' games may well be the future of satties.....ive seen them live a bit too, I don't love them, but what they do is stop the stalling on the massive bubble that is the ticket, and keeps play more normal, albeit with some major adjustments as you see here. It still also benefits you to be aggressive, which stops everyone from completly tightening up when hand for hand can be quite painfully slow at times especially live.

I have never tried this format, but it definitely change the dynamics of a satellite completely and reward a much more aggressive style. At the end of the day whatever formats players enjoy the most, will be the ones to prevail.

the way these work is that they start with a gtd ticket, and depending on numbers of players more $150 tickets are added, like a standard satty, then any spare money is paid out in $30 increments. Usually there will be more than 1 ticket, many times 3. In this case we don't know how many there were, as any players winning one are removed, so we could be for example playing for 3rd place here and the final ticket, or for 'first' and the only ticket.....either way the dynamic is the same in this hand.

Ok that makes sense.

 

[budaloto]

Yeah especially if its only 1 ticket rewarded, then it seems more logical and simple to let the tournament play out to a winner. Anyways if Hero fold, and BB call, then BB is not deep enough to end the tournament. Either BB will dubble up, and BTN become short, or BB will bust, and we can still win the tournament by winning an all-in against BTN. So a confrontation between the two other players does not either hurt or help us.

This mean, we can basically analyse this hand in chip EV, and in chip EV A9o is definitely a call from SB to a BTN jam for 12BB. If it was a regular MTT with a difference between the price to 2. and 3. place, then it would be a much closer decision and could be a fold, although it would depend on the exact payjumps. So nice call by OP and even more nice result

Thanks for explain, but next time if i'm in same spot, what cards, should consider for call.

 

[fundiver199]

Thanks for explain, but next time if i'm in same spot, what cards, should consider for call.

You can do that analysis yourself in a program like Equilab. Just give one player the range, you think, BTN is jamming, and another player a range of any two cards. And then see, which hands have more than say 35% equity against those two ranges. Of course if A5 is a call, then A6-AK is also a call etc.

 

[rei signo]

A meta era de 50 mil fichas, e nós dois tínhamos 25 mil, o outro tinha 18 mil. Não sei por que ele desistiu quando já estávamos na zona de premiação. O primeiro ganhou um bilhete de 150 dólares, os outros dois ganharam 30 dólares.

Minha pergunta é: qual é a minha chamada A9o, certo? E da próxima vez que alguém pular na minha frente, qual cartão eu pago, se eu estiver no mesmo lugar?

Gostaria de ouvir sua opinião.

You might need to fold because you're running with little more than 50% in most hands, depending on the flip... since both players went all in, the big blind should call the all-in to run for the ticket or fold and hope for a tie and wait for the next round. If it were a very valuable tournament, I would fold in your position, but since it was just a great ticket, I would risk it with A9.

 

[rei signo]

Você provavelmente precisa desistir, pois está com pouco mais de 50% das chances na maioria das mãos, dependendo do resultado... já que ambos os jogadores foram all-in, o big blind deve pagar o all-in para tentar garantir a vaga ou desistir e torcer por um empate para a próxima rodada. Se fosse um torneio muito valioso, eu desistiria na sua posição, mas como era apenas uma ótima chance de ganhar a vaga, eu arriscaria com A9.

The ticket is pretty cool, but it's not a huge prize like a large sum of money. If it were a prize that would make me rich, I'd fold, but for the ticket, I'm willing to take the risk.