$11 NL HE MTT: 11$ AA

[Geo90]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

11

Game Options

1. Bounty

Currency

$

Bounty is active!

I should have 3-bet preflop, but the biggest bounty was in, so I limped with premium cards, hoping that someone would 3bet, which was a mistake because a multiway pot significantly reduces my chances.


Flop: Not the best for you, there are quite a few draws out there, I could have opened a little bigger.


Turn The draws were completed, so I didn't want to bet bigger, but what can you go all-in with here? I was expecting a 33 set, 88 55 1010 3bet on the flop, I think, or a flush, maybe J9 with a draw, which I'm beating here, QQ KK would have raised on the flop, so I'm not expecting much bluffing here.

Going all-in here would be too aggressive, not many weaker hands would call, but the pot odds are 22%, so would folding be too tight? Maybe a couple of 10x could go all-in, which we could beat here.

888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 1,750/3,500 (425 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 97,782 (28 bb)
UTG+1: 25,250 (7 bb)
MP (Hero): 161,110 (46 bb)
MP+1: 137,850 (39 bb)
CO: 94,050 (27 bb)
BU: 107,036 (31 bb)
SB: 74,303 (21 bb)
BB: 79,169 (23 bb)

Pre-Flop: (8,650) Hero is MP with A♥ A♠
UTG raises to 7,000, 1 fold, Hero calls 7,000, MP+1 calls 7,000, CO calls 7,000, 2 players fold, BB calls 3,500

Flop: (40,150) 8♦ 5♣ T♣ (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 17,377, MP+1 folds, CO calls 17,377, BB folds, UTG calls 17,377

Turn: (92,281) 3♣ (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets 21,000, CO folds, UTG raises to 72,980 (all-in), Hero calls 51,980

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
If UTG had a large bounty, then there is even more reason to 3-bet to isolate him. If you just call, and someone behind squeeze, you increase the risk of UGT folding. Could still be an ok play with aggressive squeezers behind, but the default should definitely be to 3-bet. If you want to take an exploitative line, you can size down. Which makes sense anyway, when he only starts with 28BB.

Flop
Even in a multiway pot I think, its fine to C-bet. I dont know, what the theoretically correct sizing is here, but in multiway pots it tends to be smaller than heads-up. So maybe this is a bit to much? Would be interested in hearing the opinion of others on this.

Turn
Obviously not the best card, when 4 opponents saw the flop, two of them called your flop bet, and you dont have Ac in your hand. So I think, this is a check and evaluate spot. If CO checks behind, you can still bet the river for value on a clean card, although there are not to many of those. Or if CO bet, and UTG check-jam, you can just fold. If another club comes on the river you have an easy check-fold.

As played you have kind of painted yourself into a corner getting somewhere between 3:1 and 4:1, meaning you need to win this 1 in 4-5 times, if you call. Lets say 1 in 5, because you can win his bounty. He overcalled the flop in a multiway pot, which he really should not do without a good draw or a good made hand. So I dont think, he have like AJ with the A of clubs or something. That would a pretty insane flop call.

He could have J9s, but I dont think, that hand check-jam the turn, unless its J9 of clubs, which you now lose to. So I dont see any natural bluffs here, which mean, you are basically hoping, he has a worse overpair, that he did not bet on the flop, but now he wants to go with it. Which also seem a bit unlikely to be honest.

I dont know what to do here. Maybe its a fold? Or maybe a crying call with tears flowing out of your eyes? I would much rather aviod having to make this decision by not betting the turn in the first place. I think, this is a little bit of "button clicking", where you bet mainly, because you dont know, what else to do.

 

[eetenor]

Bounty is active!

I should have 3-bet preflop, but the biggest bounty was in, so I limped with premium cards, hoping that someone would 3bet, which was a mistake because a multiway pot significantly reduces my chances.


Flop: Not the best for you, there are quite a few draws out there, I could have opened a little bigger.


Turn The draws were completed, so I didn't want to bet bigger, but what can you go all-in with here? I was expecting a 33 set, 88 55 1010 3bet on the flop, I think, or a flush, maybe J9 with a draw, which I'm beating here, QQ KK would have raised on the flop, so I'm not expecting much bluffing here.

Going all-in here would be too aggressive, not many weaker hands would call, but the pot odds are 22%, so would folding be too tight? Maybe a couple of 10x could go all-in, which we could beat here.

888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 1,750/3,500 (425 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 97,782 (28 bb)
UTG+1: 25,250 (7 bb)
MP (Hero): 161,110 (46 bb)
MP+1: 137,850 (39 bb)
CO: 94,050 (27 bb)
BU: 107,036 (31 bb)
SB: 74,303 (21 bb)
BB: 79,169 (23 bb)

Pre-Flop: (8,650) Hero is MP with A♥ A♠
UTG raises to 7,000, 1 fold, Hero calls 7,000, MP+1 calls 7,000, CO calls 7,000, 2 players fold, BB calls 3,500

Flop: (40,150) 8♦ 5♣ T♣ (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 17,377, MP+1 folds, CO calls 17,377, BB folds, UTG calls 17,377

Turn: (92,281) 3♣ (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets 21,000, CO folds, UTG raises to 72,980 (all-in), Hero calls 51,980

The AA lament- I limped hoping for a reraise and they all called and then it got ugly and I lost.
1 UTG opened and we called two very strong actions- 3 bet freq low
2 Stack sizes are low- 3 bet freq low because a 3 bet is committing their stack
3 Most common hand to 3 bet is Ax we block half the combos- 3 bet freq low

Why 3-bet
1We cover the UTG player and stacking them would put us in a great spot to get all the other bounties as well in future hands.
2 Strong hands behind us will have to go all-in 4 bet-- non all-in is not a thing
3 as you stated we protect our equity

To study these spots we range UTG What does UTG check on flop build that range?
As played how did your flop bet refine ranges? What is UTG range now?

there is a great way to study range refining for free
GTO Wizard is free for preflop. Find UTg range for this stack depth-it will be 8 handed but that is fine
Equilab is a great tool for adapting ranges so put the Wiz range in Equilab then adapt that range on flop and turn--you will have to estimate how it changes by V action but it is a great learning experience

 

[Geo90]

Preflop
If UTG had a large bounty, then there is even more reason to 3-bet to isolate him. If you just call, and someone behind squeeze, you increase the risk of UGT folding. Could still be an ok play with aggressive squeezers behind, but the default should definitely be to 3-bet. If you want to take an exploitative line, you can size down. Which makes sense anyway, when he only starts with 28BB.

Flop
Even in a multiway pot I think, its fine to C-bet. I dont know, what the theoretically correct sizing is here, but in multiway pots it tends to be smaller than heads-up. So maybe this is a bit to much? Would be interested in hearing the opinion of others on this.

Turn
Obviously not the best card, when 4 opponents saw the flop, two of them called your flop bet, and you dont have Ac in your hand. So I think, this is a check and evaluate spot. If CO checks behind, you can still bet the river for value on a clean card, although there are not to many of those. Or if CO bet, and UTG check-jam, you can just fold. If another club comes on the river you have an easy check-fold.

As played you have kind of painted yourself into a corner getting somewhere between 3:1 and 4:1, meaning you need to win this 1 in 4-5 times, if you call. Lets say 1 in 5, because you can win his bounty. He overcalled the flop in a multiway pot, which he really should not do without a good draw or a good made hand. So I dont think, he have like AJ with the A of clubs or something. That would a pretty insane flop call.

He could have J9s, but I dont think, that hand check-jam the turn, unless its J9 of clubs, which you now lose to. So I dont see any natural bluffs here, which mean, you are basically hoping, he has a worse overpair, that he did not bet on the flop, but now he wants to go with it. Which also seem a bit unlikely to be honest.

I dont know what to do here. Maybe its a fold? Or maybe a crying call with tears flowing out of your eyes? I would much rather aviod having to make this decision by not betting the turn in the first place. I think, this is a little bit of "button clicking", where you bet mainly, because you dont know, what else to do.

Thank you for your reply!

I covered several players behind me, which was a mistake, as there were $1,500, $600, and $300 bounties in play.

But 3-betting is definitely the best play because it gives me a very wide range, and the players behind me can also give me a wide range.

A smaller bet would have been better on the flop. Because of the bounty, they play very wide, and even with a bigger bet, they won't fold.


Turn I was the most lost here, but what you write is a good approach: check and wait to see what happens. With this raise, I just committed myself to the pot.


I also see that there simply won't be any bluffs here.

 

[Geo90]

The AA lament- I limped hoping for a reraise and they all called and then it got ugly and I lost.
1 UTG opened and we called two very strong actions- 3 bet freq low
2 Stack sizes are low- 3 bet freq low because a 3 bet is committing their stack
3 Most common hand to 3 bet is Ax we block half the combos- 3 bet freq low

Why 3-bet
1We cover the UTG player and stacking them would put us in a great spot to get all the other bounties as well in future hands.
2 Strong hands behind us will have to go all-in 4 bet-- non all-in is not a thing
3 as you stated we protect our equity

To study these spots we range UTG What does UTG check on flop build that range?
As played how did your flop bet refine ranges? What is UTG range now?

there is a great way to study range refining for free
GTO Wizard is free for preflop. Find UTg range for this stack depth-it will be 8 handed but that is fine
Equilab is a great tool for adapting ranges so put the Wiz range in Equilab then adapt that range on flop and turn--you will have to estimate how it changes by V action but it is a great learning experience

Thank you for your reply!


Useful thoughts


You're right, those sitting behind us don't have a lot of chips, so the chance of them betting 3 is reduced, and we block a lot of Ax. I didn't take this into account, which was a mistake.


I should do more position range analysis on different flops, it's definitely a useful exercise, thank you.


I've been using Bencb's scales lately, which aren't entirely GTO, but that doesn't matter here.

 

[Geo90]

result

 

[fundiver199]

Obviously not a chocking result. I think, the key point is, that in a multiway pot it really matters, when a major draw completes. So we cant just ignore this and pretend, that an overpair is still the nuts.