$110$ NL HE MTT: GG masters

[Geo90]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

110$

Currency

$

I played GG because of the Black Friday promotion, managed to get in from the satellite,


I subscribed to GTO and now I usually upload the tournaments there.


Preflop Raise is fine, I think


Flop: Cbet might be a little big


T: Pass might be good


R: I made a mistake here on the river, A wouldn't have fold here, I would decide to fold, but GTO all-in writes every 9 card, maybe weaker A is all he has and we can throw those away, or why would he all-in here?

 

[Geo90]

This is another situation



Preflop: I raised BB called



Flop BB folded, why should I overbet here? BB has a wide range, but this flop isn't that good for my range either. What do you think?

 

[fundiver199]

Commenting on the Q9s hand.

Preflop
This is a marginal open but still fine, especially if you only min-raise.

Flop
In GTO you are probably allowed to "range bet" this flop, because it is so dry and contain an ace, but then you need to use a smaller sizing. This particular hand did miss pretty much as hard, as it could, so if you want to have a range, that check back, then this would be a decent candidate to check back and give up, unless you improve.

Turn
As played a clear check back and give up, unless you improve.

River
It sounds like, the solver wants to raise, and I am not really sure, why it would pick this particular hand as a bluff? Also your picture show, what the solver would do with AA, and obviously it makes sense to jam AA, since its the nuts on the river. For me Q9 feels like, it has enough showdown value to call rather than raise as a bluff. Sure the opponent could have an A and bet it for value, but there has to also be some bluffs in his range, and maybe he would even bet a worse hand for value sometimes. So my prefered play here is to call.

Folding seem somewhat exploitable to me, and I would generally need some information to make that play. Like having HUD-stats telling me, that this particular opponent only bet the river 35% of the time over a large sample. On GG Poker you dont have such information, but you do at least have a high VPIP, which would make me less inclined to fold here, compared to if you were playing with the 10% VPIP guy on your right.

 

[Geo90]

Commenting on the Q9s hand.

Preflop
This is a marginal open but still fine, especially if you only min-raise.

Flop
In GTO you are probably allowed to "range bet" this flop, because it is so dry and contain an ace, but then you need to use a smaller sizing. This particular hand did miss pretty much as hard, as it could, so if you want to have a range, that check back, then this would be a decent candidate to check back and give up, unless you improve.

Turn
As played a clear check back and give up, unless you improve.

River
It sounds like, the solver wants to raise, and I am not really sure, why it would pick this particular hand as a bluff? Also your picture show, what the solver would do with AA, and obviously it makes sense to jam AA, since its the nuts on the river. For me Q9 feels like, it has enough showdown value to call rather than raise as a bluff. Sure the opponent could have an A and bet it for value, but there has to also be some bluffs in his range, and maybe he would even bet a worse hand for value sometimes. So my prefered play here is to call.

Folding seem somewhat exploitable to me, and I would generally need some information to make that play. Like having HUD-stats telling me, that this particular opponent only bet the river 35% of the time over a large sample. On GG Poker you dont have such information, but you do at least have a high VPIP, which would make me less inclined to fold here, compared to if you were playing with the 10% VPIP guy on your right.

Flop This Cbet is too big,



I've already overplayed my hand here, checking seems better



R I didn't think about calling, something like a second pair hit the flop and that's why he called, I guess, there were no draws, so that's why I chose to fold, but now I'm thinking about calling too.



Yes, it was still early in the tournament, and I tend to play a little looser at that stage, which may not be the best strategy, that's why my VPIP is 36%.

 

[fundiver199]

R I didn't think about calling, something like a second pair hit the flop and that's why he called, I guess, there were no draws, so that's why I chose to fold, but now I'm thinking about calling too.

I would be better, if there were some stronger draws on the flop, but there were at least gutshot + BDFD types of draws. If we assume, he only call the flop C-bet with made hands, then he is massively overfolding on the flop. Which could be the case, but it is a pretty big assumption to make. There is also the "WTF" factor, where its always possible, people bet a in between hand like 44 or 87, which we would expect them to check. So while its not a massive mistake to fold, I do prefer to call without further information.

 

[eetenor]

I played GG because of the Black Friday promotion, managed to get in from the satellite,


I subscribed to GTO and now I usually upload the tournaments there.


Preflop Raise is fine, I think


Flop: Cbet might be a little big


T: Pass might be good


R: I made a mistake here on the river, A wouldn't have fold here, I would decide to fold, but GTO all-in writes every 9 card, maybe weaker A is all he has and we can throw those away, or why would he all-in here?

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If you are going to study using these charts just looking at the river chart is a huge mistake. The river chart is based on range refinement on flop and on turn. It is how the range changes with each action and how the solver played not you that this chart shows what solver would do. In order for you to say I should do what solver did on river you have to know that you did what solver did on every street and the Villain also did what solver did. If V has a low to 0 turn lead frequency and low river bluff frequency vs what solver might do, we will never raise river we have a bluff catcher only---if we start jamming these spots vs that V type we will crush our ROI negatively.

Making this mistake is why people think GTO does not apply vs real players

 

[Geo90]

If you are going to study using these charts just looking at the river chart is a huge mistake. The river chart is based on range refinement on flop and on turn. It is how the range changes with each action and how the solver played not you that this chart shows what solver would do. In order for you to say I should do what solver did on river you have to know that you did what solver did on every street and the Villain also did what solver did. If V has a low to 0 turn lead frequency and low river bluff frequency vs what solver might do, we will never raise river we have a bluff catcher only---if we start jamming these spots vs that V type we will crush our ROI negatively.

Making this mistake is why people think GTO does not apply vs real players

I have to admit that I need much broader knowledge to use GTO in order to understand the whole thing.



The drills helped a lot, but it's difficult to understand on my own why we call so much in that position on that flop.



Thank you for your answer. Really, if I just pick out a table, I only ruin my game. I have to understand the positions and ranks first so that I know why we do what we do.

 

[SpanRmonka]

I'm taking out any of the GTO type study from my thoughts here, as I haven't done any really focused study on it at all.

This seems to me like a classic situation whereby you raise pre, get a caller, you C bet bluff, slow down on the turn and then the Villain bets the river. Many many players have bluffs in this situation. Its a classic float the flop, and take the hand on the river if the player looks weak in my opinion.

If the BB has a big A, he has some 3 bets or re raises the flop, also re raises the flop with wekaer A's a number of times, you have 2nd pair, and it seems like a massive mistake to me not to bluff catch the river here with 2nd pair, when villain has not showed any strength in the hand so far.