$150 NL HE MTT: Anniversary

[Geo90]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

150

Currency

$

Result I tried to cover it up.

Preflop raise is fine, I think.

Flop I get a good flop. Cbet could have been bigger, 1/2 pot, he might have QJ J9 straight draw.

Turn K not the best card for us K10S could have been preflop, I don't know why I check here, but it was a mistake, I should have bet around 1/2

River And he opens with an all-in, a 7 comes, J9 completes the straight, but on a paired board, he might not go all-in, the pot is too small for a big bluff, I still had 7200 chips here, or slowplay the K10 all the way, what do you think?

 

[puzzlefish]

Given all sorts of other Kx are on the table, including AK, KQ, KJ, and 88 I think this is a call. I guess maybe you might look at KT, K8, K7 and KK once in a blue moon. Hard to believe this is how people play at $150 level.

 

[puzzlefish]

PS it looks like this is who you were playing against?

https://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=422665

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
Fine to isolate the limper, but with stacks of around 80BB I would go larger than just 3BB.

Flop
Great flop obviously, and here I would also go larger. It a fairly wet board with many straightdraws, and you unblock top pair. So there are plenty of hands, that can continue against a large bet like 60-80% pot, and I am more interested in starting to build the pot against those hands than to get a single street of value from an underpair to the board or ace high or whatever.

Turn
You fill up, so you no longer need to worry about draws. Which mean, you can slowplay, but for that to be higher EV than betting for value, you need an opponent, who will massively overbluff the river, when you check back turn, or valuebet hands, he would have folded to a turn bet. And given, that he limp-called preflop, I dont think, this is such an opponent. So I would bet for value, and this time I like to go on the small side to get a call from draws, that are now completely dead. And since you bet small on the flop, this will not look suspicious. If you bet small, you might even get raised by KX, which is now trips.

River
So he jammed, which is a massive overbet, even though I dont know your stack size but only his. Even so I dont think, this is even a decision. He is probably never bluffing, but he could be overplaying trips or a rivered straight, and you also beat the lower sets. You have massively underrepped your hand, and when we do that, we typically can not fold on a card, that changes nothing. If he show you K8 or K7, it just is, what it is.

 

[Geo90]

Preflop
Fine to isolate the limper, but with stacks of around 80BB I would go larger than just 3BB.

Flop
Great flop obviously, and here I would also go larger. It a fairly wet board with many straightdraws, and you unblock top pair. So there are plenty of hands, that can continue against a large bet like 60-80% pot, and I am more interested in starting to build the pot against those hands than to get a single street of value from an underpair to the board or ace high or whatever.

Turn
You fill up, so you no longer need to worry about draws. Which mean, you can slowplay, but for that to be higher EV than betting for value, you need an opponent, who will massively overbluff the river, when you check back turn, or valuebet hands, he would have folded to a turn bet. And given, that he limp-called preflop, I dont think, this is such an opponent. So I would bet for value, and this time I like to go on the small side to get a call from draws, that are now completely dead. And since you bet small on the flop, this will not look suspicious. If you bet small, you might even get raised by KX, which is now trips.

River
So he jammed, which is a massive overbet, even though I dont know your stack size but only his. Even so I dont think, this is even a decision. He is probably never bluffing, but he could be overplaying trips or a rivered straight, and you also beat the lower sets. You have massively underrepped your hand, and when we do that, we typically can not fold on a card, that changes nothing. If he show you K8 or K7, it just is, what it is.

Preflop Yes, preflop I could have raised 4-5BB

Flop There could be a lot of good hands in the range here.,drawing J9 QJ, he could have a lot of Kx, two pairs, maybe 88

Turn Yes, this is a mistake, I often slowplay, value bet is much better if that's the case, I'll take the pot right away, I don't even understand why I checked here

River 7200 I had chips This is thought-provoking, why go all-in on a pair of boards, there weren't even big straights, I'll beat 88 77

 

[Geo90]

 

[Geo90]

Given all sorts of other Kx are on the table, including AK, KQ, KJ, and 88 I think this is a call. I guess maybe you might look at KT, K8, K7 and KK once in a blue moon. Hard to believe this is how people play at $150 level.

Given all sorts of other Kx are on the table, including AK, KQ, KJ, and 88 I think this is a call. I guess maybe you might look at KT, K8, K7 and KK once in a blue moon. Hard to believe this is how people play at $150 level.

With cards like AK KQ KJ, I think he would have raised, not limped. Because of huge over all-in, I thought about whether I could have folded here.

 

[fundiver199]

I think, this is one of those hands, where the result is for sure annoying, especially since it was an expensive tournament. But at the end of the day, it was just a massive setup, and you are supposed to go broke here. So the real thing to take away from the hand is the value lost by not putting more chips into the pot yourself against all the hands in his range, that you beat.

Him showing K8s is kind of relevant, because it suggest, that maybe he dont limp bad offsuit KX hands. And if that is the case, there are a whopping 3 combos, you lose to here: K8 of clubs (the one he had), K8 of hearts, and K7 of hearts. Thats it, and there are 6 combos of 77 and 88, which are very likely in his limping range, if K8s is in there, and that might also play exactly like this.

 

[puzzlefish]

With cards like AK KQ KJ, I think he would have raised, not limped. Because of huge over all-in, I thought about whether I could have folded here.

I guess you are going to have to start keeping track of how often this kind of river bet is the nuts and how often it turns out to be a player who is hoping he is playing against the second nuts. If there is more of the latter, then maybe you will find more folds. I still can't believe player play like this at the buy-in that you're at, but maybe some may have sattied into it.

 

[Poker Orifice]

I guess you are going to have to start keeping track of how often this kind of river bet is the nuts and how often it turns out to be a player who is hoping he is playing against the second nuts. If there is more of the latter, then maybe you will find more folds. I still can't believe player play like this at the buy-in that you're at, but maybe some may have sattied into it.

Why can't you believe the player could be a fish at a $150 buyin? Isn't this tournament the one they're running the promo for, where you can satty in for nothing from playing 100 & 300 hands?
First tell re player is a fish. They're open limping.

 

[puzzlefish]

Why can't you believe the player could be a fish at a $150 buyin? Isn't this tournament the one they're running the promo for, where you can satty in for nothing from playing 100 & 300 hands?
First tell re player is a fish. They're open limping.

His profile doesn't look like that of a fish, but maybe he's actually down a lot despite his wins.

 

[fundiver199]

I guess you are going to have to start keeping track of how often this kind of river bet is the nuts and how often it turns out to be a player who is hoping he is playing against the second nuts.

If the hand is played better by either player, then this massive river overbet can not even happen, because far more chips would have gone in on the flop and turn if not all of them. K8 should have check-raised the flop against a small C-bet. As played TT should have bet the turn, and then K8 should have check-raised there.

If TT just call the check-raise on either flop or turn, they go to the river with less than a pot sized bet left, and then its a completely normal jam from K8 and then call from TT. In general we are not looking for a way to avoid going broke, when we get coolered by a better full house on a single paired board. We are looking to get value from all the worse hands, that can and will pay us off.

Ok maybe we dont always stack off for 100BB with on , if the opponent raised UTG in a full ring game, because then the board completely smash his range. But this is an extreme example, and if we never fold a full house for 100BB or less on a single paired board, we are not bleeding any value, because most of our opponents dont get away from such situations either.

 

[sibkaz]

The situation is normal, no one will discard cards in such a situation)

 

[Geo90]

I think, this is one of those hands, where the result is for sure annoying, especially since it was an expensive tournament. But at the end of the day, it was just a massive setup, and you are supposed to go broke here. So the real thing to take away from the hand is the value lost by not putting more chips into the pot yourself against all the hands in his range, that you beat.

Him showing K8s is kind of relevant, because it suggest, that maybe he dont limp bad offsuit KX hands. And if that is the case, there are a whopping 3 combos, you lose to here: K8 of clubs (the one he had), K8 of hearts, and K7 of hearts. Thats it, and there are 6 combos of 77 and 88, which are very likely in his limping range, if K8s is in there, and that might also play exactly like this.

Fortunately, I only participate in such competitions if I manage to get a ticket in the wsop promotion.


In fact, there are more combinations that I win against than I lose against.

 

[Geo90]

Why can't you believe the player could be a fish at a $150 buyin? Isn't this tournament the one they're running the promo for, where you can satty in for nothing from playing 100 & 300 hands?
First tell re player is a fish. They're open limping.

I used to think that the stakes were decisive, and that there were definitely more good players at higher stakes, but fish can be found there too.


But yes, you can get a ticket for Step 1-Step 2. By winning Step 3, you get a $150 ticket. That's how I got mine. I have another ticket, but I'll try again if I feel like it

 

[fundiver199]

In fact, there are more combinations that I win against than I lose against.

Exactly. Maybe we can at least consider folding, if we have bottom boat (77), because then we only beat bluffs and massive overplays. But when we even beat some of his boats, we have to pay him off.