$150 NL HE MTT: J6o

[Geo90]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

150

Currency

$

I would be better off if I could exchange these tickets, but there is no way to do so, as I didn't manage to get into a paid seat!

Preflop 1BB can be given

Flop I have two pairs, there are quite a few draws on the table, and I think 3bet is good here

Turn We get a bad card, 3bet could have been folded 8x on the flop, he passed behind me, I think he's passing behind me with his draws or he has a very strong hand, 88 JJ 66 Jx would have bet, I think

Should I have bet on the turn? 20-25BB?

R I have to fold here, I can't call.

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
Its fine to defend to a min-raise with any suited hand. Obviously we need to be somewhat worried about getting overflushed in a multiway pot, but on the other side its 1BB to win a pot of 9,5BB, so we just need to approach postflop with some caution.

Flop
Totally on board with raising top and bottom pair for value, sizing looks good.

Turn
Now you got counterfeited and lose to any JX with a live kicker, an overpair or (more unlikely) any 8. You are behind to all his made hands now, so this is definitely a check and evaluate spot.

River
Obviously you only beat a bluff, but this is probably a bit closer, than you think. With a counterfeited two pair you block a decent amount of full houses, and most of the draws missed. Only backdoor spades got there, and for him to have that, it has to be something like T9 of spades or 97 of spades, that flopped a straightdraw and backed into a flush.

So there are not many flushes in his range, and also not many AX, since its pretty much only AX of hearts. And does AX always jam the river for value? Thats kind of questionable, and its pretty unlikely, he has 8X after calling a raise on the flop and then checking back turn. The hands, that makes the most sense for him to play this way for value, are 66 (1), 88 (1), JJ (1), AA (1) and AJ (6), so 10 combos of fat value.

You are getting 2:1, so if he is bluffing 5 combos of busted draws, you can make a breakeven call. You have also shown weekness by checking both turn and river. So while I usually dont recommend to make a lot of big hero calls on the river, this could actually be a decent spot to do it. At least if he is as polarized, as I think. If he can also have AX of hearts for value, that would push it more towards a fold.

 

[Ketoupitou]

I fold here. Three pairs no good. Flush possible.

 

[fundiver199]

Obviously there are 3 combos of AA, and I also ignored the backdoor flushes. So its more like 14 fat value combos requiring us to find 7 combos of bluffs.

 

[Geo90]

Preflop
Its fine to defend to a min-raise with any suited hand. Obviously we need to be somewhat worried about getting overflushed in a multiway pot, but on the other side its 1BB to win a pot of 9,5BB, so we just need to approach postflop with some caution.

Flop
Totally on board with raising top and bottom pair for value, sizing looks good.

Turn
Now you got counterfeited and lose to any JX with a live kicker, an overpair or (more unlikely) any 8. You are behind to all his made hands now, so this is definitely a check and evaluate spot.

River
Obviously you only beat a bluff, but this is probably a bit closer, than you think. With a counterfeited two pair you block a decent amount of full houses, and most of the draws missed. Only backdoor spades got there, and for him to have that, it has to be something like T9 of spades or 97 of spades, that flopped a straightdraw and backed into a flush.

So there are not many flushes in his range, and also not many AX, since its pretty much only AX of hearts. And does AX always jam the river for value? Thats kind of questionable, and its pretty unlikely, he has 8X after calling a raise on the flop and then checking back turn. The hands, that makes the most sense for him to play this way for value, are 66 (1), 88 (1), JJ (1), AA (1) and AJ (6), so 10 combos of fat value.

You are getting 2:1, so if he is bluffing 5 combos of busted draws, you can make a breakeven call. You have also shown weekness by checking both turn and river. So while I usually dont recommend to make a lot of big hero calls on the river, this could actually be a decent spot to do it. At least if he is as polarized, as I think. If he can also have AX of hearts for value, that would push it more towards a fold.

Thank you

Flush could be what gets him here, maybe Q10S Q9S 109S

Ax I think he could have a lot A2s-A7S A9s A10S maybe AQS AKS but why would he go all in with them on such a board, he can only throw away the weaker cards, the stronger ones give him a better check value

Yes, it seems most likely that he had something like Monster, because that's exactly what happened to me last time in the same competition. R over jamelt and full houst showed up.

 

[eetenor]

I have seen nothing regarding this hand yet, but my first reaction was why are we playing J6o in a $150 MTT We have to assume some of our players are studied and this is a terrible hand to play vs V who play poker better than average.
Ok title is wrong you had J6s in BB and called 1bb

Studying this hand is all about ranging your V. When you check raise this flop and they call the Eff.. SPR is 1 What range calls flop with SPR 1 on turn? What 8x hands? What flush draws? What Ax hands?

@fundiver did some range building you want to do that for yourself as well.

 

[Geo90]

Még nem láttam semmit erről a leosztásról, de az első reakcióm az volt, hogy miért játszunk J6o-t egy $150-os MTT-n? :upsz: Feltételeznünk kell, hogy néhány játékosunkat tanulmányozták, és ez egy szörnyű leosztás V ellen, akik az átlagnál jobban játszanak.
Oké, a cím hibás, J6-od volt BB-ben és 1BB-t tartottál.

Ennek a kéznek a tanulmányozása a V range-ről szól. Amikor check-emelsz a flopnál, és ők megadják az Eff-et... az SPR 1. Milyen range-et ad meg a flopnál, ha SPR 1 turnön? Milyen 8x-os kezek? Milyen flösshúzók? Milyen Ax-es kezek?

@fundiver csinált némi hatótávolság-növelést, te is ezt akarod csinálni magadnak.

:bizonytalan:

Otherwise, these higher stakes tournaments can sometimes be misleading. Of course, there are many more regulars at the tables, but there are also fish and crazy people here, only fewer.


What can happen here on the flop and on the turn:

JJ 88 66, J8

Over couples, but here I think you would 4-bet with them AA QQ KK

Can have a lot of Jx AJ KJ QJ J10 J9

1010 99

Tie Q10s Q9s 109s 97s A2s-AQs K5s K7s K9s-KQs

8X would brighten up those clothes



This is what his scale would look like, maybe a smaller bet of 3 on the flop and a bet on the turn would have been a better game.